Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[DracotheDragon]

They really need to do something about salted earth no ability should have the opportunity to be able to grant a full alliance wipe, it's been about 3 years if they are that worried on how it will affect CC then at least limit it to 5 players (and maybe remove the heal)

[AnnRam]

They really need to do something about salted earth no ability should have the opportunity to be able to grant a full alliance wipe, it's been about 3 years if they are that worried on how it will affect CC then at least limit it to 5 players (and maybe remove the heal)

Salted Earth isn't actually a problem the real one its that they can use their limitbreak and take 0 risk. IF DRKS could lose their invulnerability to die most of them would disappear before popping SE.

-DRK Jumps in to a group.
-Gets fully CC by a whole raid but still can cast LB
-Stays there for 10 seconds while SE already its on 20 sec CD
-Comes back again and repeat

Without Invulnerability :

-DRK Jumps in
-DRK dies instantly because CC (SE on CD now)
-DRK have to return to the fight from respawn (prob around 30 seconds to 1 min)

[Xylira]

Salted Earth isn't actually a problem the real one its that they can use their limitbreak and take 0 risk. IF DRKS could lose their invulnerability to die most of them would disappear before popping SE.

-DRK Jumps in to a group.
-Gets fully CC by a whole raid but still can cast LB
-Stays there for 10 seconds while SE already its on 20 sec CD
-Comes back again and repeat

Without Invulnerability :

-DRK Jumps in
-DRK dies instantly because CC (SE on CD now)
-DRK have to return to the fight from respawn (prob around 30 seconds to 1 min)

It's a combination of design and balance issues all compounding on each other. There are very obvious reasons why DRK, AST, and DRG tend to team stack together in premades.

Each individual job with its PvP toolkit is balanced relatively okay for 5v5 CC matches, but they're abysmally balanced for anything larger scale. Throwing Battle High on top of it all and we end up with nonsensical balance issues that end up in horrendously mismatched games that Front Lines have largely devolved into.

[AnnRam]

It's a combination of design and balance issues all compounding on each other. There are very obvious reasons why DRK, AST, and DRG tend to team stack together in premades.

Each individual job with its PvP toolkit is balanced relatively okay for 5v5 CC matches, but they're abysmally balanced for anything larger scale. Throwing Battle High on top of it all and we end up with nonsensical balance issues that end up in horrendously mismatched games that Front Lines have largely devolved into.

That's why you CC to dispatch the DRK before they stack SE, sadly that's almost never the case. Even a single MNK can ruin the whole "ast/drk" combo by pushing out the DRK before he jumps. Many countless times I've done it but since they can still use their LB even in the middle of the stun-lock animation of MNK LB its just sucks the DRK does the SE anyways because there is NO counter to invulnerability.

Remember old SMN? they had a skill that removed the invo buff but SE removed it.

[localareanetwork]

Salted Earth isn't actually a problem the real one its that they can use their limitbreak and take 0 risk. IF DRKS could lose their invulnerability to die most of them would disappear before popping SE.

-DRK Jumps in to a group.
-Gets fully CC by a whole raid but still can cast LB
-Stays there for 10 seconds while SE already its on 20 sec CD
-Comes back again and repeat

Without Invulnerability :

-DRK Jumps in
-DRK dies instantly because CC (SE on CD now)
-DRK have to return to the fight from respawn (prob around 30 seconds to 1 min)

Living dead is very thematic for dark knight. Sucking people isn't.

[saucyshortcake]

Living dead is very thematic for dark knight. Sucking people isn't.

Ohhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyyy

[Astralrisk]

Salted Earth isn't actually a problem the real one its that they can use their limitbreak and take 0 risk. IF DRKS could lose their invulnerability to die most of them would disappear before popping SE.

Saying DRK can invuln being the main reason why its strong is a bit weird, since PLD can also invuln but is fine. i feel like having a mass pull in comboed with that becomes the issue of being able to get away free of risk and just have the most OP grouping tool in the game.

[Rydia_Misuto]

I don't like that I can't queue into CC with friends, but the same six people can queue into Frontlines and completely destroy the match over and over because of what the DRK/AST meta enables. That much AOE on a class that also supports the tank, and that much CC on a class that can become unkillable for ten seconds, is an avalanche that just crushes everything every single match. The counterplay from what I can tell is either having your own setup and hoping your team's is better than theirs, or completely avoiding fighting whatever team has the premade and praying they overcommit to the third team and let you win via avoiding fights entirely.

CC is genuinely fun but the fact you can't queue for it with one or two friends and can't even communicate properly with your teammates is lame, and the fact Frontlines is always, /consistently/ ruled by a fraction of the map because of just how insanely powerful this is, feels completely ridiculous to me. Either remove premades from frontlines, or add them to CC.

Also I miss blasting people off ledges in the drones Frontlines map (I forget the name) and am sad that now what we have are Seal Rock, Seal Rock But In The Steppe, and Attack The Crystal OOPS! You attacked the crystal, but the premade just killed your entire alliance!

[Mawlzy]

A quick suggestion to players that I assume are trying to be helpful, but actually are not.

If you're attempting to move your team towards an objective, using coordinates is a complete waste of time. Controller players aren't going to use them, people who have tried using them and discovered they bork the map aren't going to use them, rouletters who have no idea they are clickable are not going to use them.

N/S/E/W.

And a reminder to chat-spamming commanders. While the skill level in FL is not high, we can all count to three. Spamming SFX just gets you muted and adds to the (sometimes unfair) hate that commanders receive. When it comes to chat, more is less. Spamming just makes you look like self-indulgent narcissists and is counter-productive.

[FatCatEnjoyer]

Also why does this alpaca fart when I mount it?