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    Fuzzout's Avatar
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    Light Seeker
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    Odin
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    I know it's hard to see in the 600 pages of context, but there are plenty of Savage and Ultimate raiders posting actual logs of just how crap the healers are, even in the content we've been told would "be engaging". So, no. That doesn't work.
    Honestly, that's fair! But the timing of what savage tier and what ultimates they did - matters massively here. But that's just me arguing for arguments sake. Sorry.

    I think my entire initial post could probably be summarised better in - "What they've put out in dawntrail shows that we are headed in the right direction, just got to wait and see what the future brings.".

    I'm just very roundabout with words :>
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    Noah Orih
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzout View Post
    Honestly, that's fair! But the timing of what savage tier and what ultimates they did - matters massively here. But that's just me arguing for arguments sake. Sorry.

    I think my entire initial post could probably be summarised better in - "What they've put out in dawntrail shows that we are headed in the right direction, just got to wait and see what the future brings.".

    I'm just very roundabout with words :>
    The problem I have is I've been 'waiting and seeing' for half a decade already. I don't want to wait another few years for things to maybe improve. I'm just tired of enduring jobs that I don't like playing because the job I want to play is only available in PVP.
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    Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer. Please change this for 8.0. Make Sage fast, exciting, and aggressive. It should feel like a healer that plays like a DPS. Empower the aspects of Sage's unique healing mechanics: Kardia and Eukrasia to give its healing playstyle more identity.

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    Isala Zuntrios
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    Adamantoise
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzout View Post
    Honestly, that's fair! But the timing of what savage tier and what ultimates they did - matters massively here. But that's just me arguing for arguments sake. Sorry.

    I think my entire initial post could probably be summarised better in - "What they've put out in dawntrail shows that we are headed in the right direction, just got to wait and see what the future brings.".

    I'm just very roundabout with words :>
    Literally NOTHING in Dawntrail shows us that we're headed in the right direction. They've gutted classes, neutered gap closers on TWO out of four tanks, on top of the DPS. Which, if it was so important, why do the golden children of WAR and PLD get to keep theirs? The story is absolutely dog water. Like, worse than Lyse, worse than the cringest moments of ARR bad. The only communication we ever get out of the devs is that they're designing Jobs to appeal to players who normally don't play them, (WHY?!) that their dungeon testing team is required to be so bad, that even clearing an Extreme disqualifies you, and that they balance raids by muddling through it, and tacking on extra HP due to the fact that they know players don't suck as much as they do. And that they "had to learn cooperation and communication skills", IN AN EFFING MMO.

    This is quickly shaping up to be the worst expansion in the game, and that's pathetic.
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    Buzam Aidorouge
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    Maduin
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    The only communication we ever get out of the devs is that they're designing Jobs to appeal to players who normally don't play them, (WHY?!)
    This one here definitely confuses me the most.

    Like, even putting aside my chronic lack of desire to tank/heal in PVE player group content no matter how "non-anxious" they make the roles, I will also say I was not the biggest fan of MNK & BLM prior to Dawntrail because I just couldn't keep track of how all their mechanics work and found them complicated to play with no real satisfaction even when I accidentally did it correctly once or twice. To hear people say it, both of them were "dumbed down" to make them more appealing to people like me and having played them both... yeah, still not liking them, and I actually feel *more* overwhelmed because now I have even *more* Job gauge things to keep track of. (And I'm not the only non-MNK & BLM main that went right back to not wanting to main them.)

    So you have some prior fans of the jobs that don't like the changes, you have some of the ever elusive "new" fans of the jobs not caring about the changes, so then... WHY CHANGE ANYTHING?
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Moogle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aidorouge View Post
    This one here definitely confuses me the most.

    Like, even putting aside my chronic lack of desire to tank/heal in PVE player group content no matter how "non-anxious" they make the roles, I will also say I was not the biggest fan of MNK & BLM prior to Dawntrail because I just couldn't keep track of how all their mechanics work and found them complicated to play with no real satisfaction even when I accidentally did it correctly once or twice. To hear people say it, both of them were "dumbed down" to make them more appealing to people like me and having played them both... yeah, still not liking them, and I actually feel *more* overwhelmed because now I have even *more* Job gauge things to keep track of. (And I'm not the only non-MNK & BLM main that went right back to not wanting to main them.)

    So you have some prior fans of the jobs that don't like the changes, you have some of the ever elusive "new" fans of the jobs not caring about the changes, so then... WHY CHANGE ANYTHING?
    "We want to make it super simple to pick up so that some of the players that enjoy the actual fun classes will think "well it's not that bad for a quick queue" and dip into the dungeon finder, thus preventing the 20 minute queues we had before."
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    Okami Amaterasuu
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aidorouge View Post
    This one here definitely confuses me the most.

    Like, even putting aside my chronic lack of desire to tank/heal in PVE player group content no matter how "non-anxious" they make the roles, I will also say I was not the biggest fan of MNK & BLM prior to Dawntrail because I just couldn't keep track of how all their mechanics work and found them complicated to play with no real satisfaction even when I accidentally did it correctly once or twice. To hear people say it, both of them were "dumbed down" to make them more appealing to people like me and having played them both... yeah, still not liking them, and I actually feel *more* overwhelmed because now I have even *more* Job gauge things to keep track of. (And I'm not the only non-MNK & BLM main that went right back to not wanting to main them.)

    So you have some prior fans of the jobs that don't like the changes, you have some of the ever elusive "new" fans of the jobs not caring about the changes, so then... WHY CHANGE ANYTHING?
    It's almost as if MNK and BLM click better for different types of people, and also that some people have the skill level or willingness to practice to actually master the job.

    God forbid you can't do a job rotation perfectly on the first try and actually need to practice at it for a while to become good at it.
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