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    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    Three responses were given to me and a bunch of whining. None of the three responses that I saw were adequate, actually workable options and the whining goes in the trash.

    Sorry, having to hit LB+(x), then mount up, the LB+(x) to get off the mount crosshotbar sounds incredibly annoying after a day of use let along years.
    That's just not going to work.
    I'm sorry but "this is not going to work" is incredibly subjective. If it's annoying to you then I respect that but this can't be used as a seemingly "objective" argument as to why adding more dps buttons is impossible.
    If the benefit outweighs the disadvantage then I personally think a bit of annoyance is a fair tradeoff outside of battle content if it improves our gameplay experience within battle content, the major playable content of this game, by giving us better class design.
    You are free to disagree with that but please understand that both of our views are subjective so blanket statements like "this doesn't work" are misplaced.
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    Eri Battlesaint
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loggos View Post
    I'm sorry but "this is not going to work" is incredibly subjective. If it's annoying to you then I respect that but this can't be used as a seemingly "objective" argument as to why adding more dps buttons is impossible.
    If the benefit outweighs the disadvantage then I personally think a bit of annoyance is a fair tradeoff outside of battle content if it improves our gameplay experience within battle content, the major playable content of this game, by giving us better class design.
    You are free to disagree with that but please understand that both of our views are subjective so blanket statements like "this doesn't work" are misplaced.
    OK, set up your keyboard to access mounts to be: Shift+button then you have to hit another button so you use a mount then you have to hit shift+button to go back to your class abilities.
    That's just bad design on it's face. SE has to make everything work on a controller.

    Having to deal with "a bit of annoyance" to mount every single time you mount (what like 30 times a day, 210 times a week) after about 300 times dealing with that, it's not "a bit of annoyance" it's a constant annoyance bordering on a massive headache.

    Sorry, "that's just not going to work" and you're right, it is subjective, just like enjoying eating a little toilet paper for lunch is subjective.
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    Last edited by HealerGuy; 07-11-2024 at 10:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    The problem is none of you are offering no solutions, just complaints.
    You need to be able to access any DPS added on the main controller cross hotabar and the upper one. Every slot is already used.

    So on WHM, what spells do you want removed and how would you replace them to add DPS?

    Why is it that everybody on this board comes off as angry? Why is it that everyone outside of this board disagrees with the takes on this board.
    I mean, we were talking about one solution I had offered already. I know other people have put in graphs and responses also from all walks of the game (raiders to casuals). I know the mentality is "I am not gonna look through 600 pages of a forum post" but it has been discussed already. I do hope you have a good one though~
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyraShu View Post
    I mean, we were talking about one solution I had offered already. I know other people have put in graphs and responses also from all walks of the game (raiders to casuals). I know the mentality is "I am not gonna look through 600 pages of a forum post" but it has been discussed already. I do hope you have a good one though~
    If it's been discussed then what healing options have we decided need to be removed from WHM to add DPS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    If it's been discussed then what healing options have we decided need to be removed from WHM to add DPS?
    What I had suggested didn't remove any abilities.

    I hope you have a good day~
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyraShu View Post
    What I had suggested didn't remove any abilities.

    I hope you have a good day~
    If I remember correctly, I didn't hate your idea but it wasn't exactly a huge change.
    You have a good day too.
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    If it's been discussed then what healing options have we decided need to be removed from WHM to add DPS?
    Cure 1 is pointless once you learn Cure 2. Having Cure 1 upgrade to Cure 2 saves a slot (unless you are one of the many players who realize that Cure 1 is pointless and have already removed it from the bars).
    The MP cost of Cure 2 could be lowered to match Cure 1 (somewhere around 500mp) if that's a concern, the main 'price' of Cure 2 has always been the fact it's a GCD, not the MP cost.
    This also has the side effect of making FreeCure proc a free Cure 2 when you cast a Cure 2, meaning spamming it (the time you'd most need a free cast) occasionally rewards you with a free cast

    Thanks to the EW trait, Medica is 400p. Medica 2 is 250p, plus 5 ticks of 150p. This means that, after a single tick, Medica 2 is equal to Medica 1.
    So, we could lower the duration of Medica 2 by 3s (one tick), and add that 150p tick to the base cast.
    That way, Medica 2 becomes '400p, plus 4 ticks of 150p', which totals the same 1000p as before. Spamming Medica 2 would then be 'equal' to spamming Medica 1 in 'upfront potency'.
    To incentivise not spamming Medica 2, I would add a trait that simply says 'when Medica 2's Regen is active on the WHM, Cure 3's MP cost is halved (from 1500MP down to 750MP).
    Hopefully, that simple trait would teach newer players not to spam Medica, and gives them a more efficient 'spammable action'.

    That's it for 'healing action removal', just two common-sense consolidations, and as my previous post in response to yours illustrated, I would only need to add two buttons, Water and Blessing of the Elementals (the Barrier Lily spenders can be left out if needed). And BOTE is a healing action, so I'd actually be adding more healing actions too, not just replacing healing actions with damage actions.
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    Percibel Theren
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    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    The problem is none of you are offering no solutions, just complaints.
    You need to be able to access any DPS added on the main controller cross hotabar and the upper one. Every slot is already used.

    So on WHM, what spells do you want removed and how would you replace them to add DPS?
    I have responded to that question. I have also linked a Reddit thread that talks about how you can set up your controller in order to have zero problems with having a lot of abilities. You have, apparently, very conveniently not seen either of my two replies. Either that or you are willfully ignoring them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    I have responded to that question. I have also linked a Reddit thread that talks about how you can set up your controller in order to have zero problems with having a lot of abilities. You have, apparently, very conveniently not seen either of my two replies. Either that or you are willfully ignoring them.
    I did not see your reply. Apologies. Also, my hotbar is set up very well using every ability and allowing me to use other things that require quick access like mounts, deep dungeon potions, map search, etc. Thanks for just assuming I'm a dumbass and my setup sucks. Appreciate that.
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    Last edited by HealerGuy; 07-11-2024 at 10:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    I did not see your reply. Apologies. Also, my hotbar is set up very well using every ability and allowing me to use other things that require quick access like mounts, deep dungeon potions, map search, etc. Thanks for just assuming I'm a dumbass and my setup sucks. Appreciate that.
    Now you're also putting words into my mouth, how nice of you. My goodwill has run out with you.

    My ignore list is really growing thanks to this thread.
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