#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Kira619]

Don't bother Kira, those striking are absolutely 10000% convinced their views are the majority view of the player base that plays heals that they certainly don't listen when healer mains like myself say otherwise. They also seem to think that the echo chamber that is the overall dumpster fire of these forums represents the whole sum total majority view of the playerbase when MOST players never step foot in here and it only tends to be the loudest complainers that post feedback.

Thank you, this is the entire point I was trying to make, because people were so shocked to see the devs go the opposite direction of what was asked for here and for me, it somewhat makes sense. The idea that the topics claimed here, especially in this thread, somehow representing the gaming audience as a whole makes no sense when you compare the playerbase count versus the amount of people posting on the forums. It's quite obvious that the topics seen here express a very small minority of the gaming audience as a whole.

[S4M4EL]

i find it funny when people try to diminish forum feedback as if it shouldn't be considered because "it isn't the majority of the player-base"
Then why have forums in the first place?
People are being vocal about healers since HW and in every expansion the same issues become even more apparent.

- AST gets botched and reworked >>every single expansion<< and i'm not even kidding.

- SCH, the intelectual tactician, is facing an identity crisis going for the angelic aesthetic and received no changes to energy drain, not even look-wise, and no new ways of spending fairy gauge, but sure, take this angelic glamour that turns you into a healing turret because this is exactly what is needed thanks to how hard content is to heal.........

- SGE receiving another DOT but it doesn't stack so basically nothing changed

- and WHM? idk take this extra tetra stack and a 400 pot team-wide shield that becomes a regen so you can have more free time spamming your 1 button...

I've seen many players, both casual and hardcore, criticize the direction healer role is facing and it looks like there are NO healer players in the dev team, or they simply don't care.

[CrimsonGunner]

No, I don't care if it has double DOTs or not. I've played other jobs, such as bard who has double dots, and I was thrilled the day they added the magic button that refreshed BOTH DOTs simultaneously because god forbid I get caught even in casual content by try hards that would call someone out for letting a DOT fall off even for .5secs.... so yeah, i'm glad i don't have to manage two DOTs... it was annoying on bard before they added the skill that refreshed both, it was annoying on scholar back in the day, it was annoying on Summoner back in the day. I even healed back when stance dancing was a thing, also highly annoying. I've been through all the ways healers have changed and the current way they play, both shields and pure heals is a direct result of feedback the devs received over the years and that's what the majority of strikers seem to overlook. Healing got so hard that people wouldn't TOUCH the job. They made it easier, then there was still a large chunk that said "I don't want to dps I want to heal" they took away all but the bare minimum and now a small portion of the player base wants to reverse course on that. I'm at the point where I'm convinced there will never be a happy side in this, but at the end of the day the Devs do have more data about things than anyone knows and there is clearly a reason why they are sticking to the current healer design.

yes it called being stubborn and ignore feedback.

tbh being afraid of being called out is a you problem not a dev.
il be clear about it, dev problem is when skills don't function or when there is a huge disparity between each job or major issues with a job classic example is ast apm issue or mp issues in shb not someone calling a person out cause he didn't put a dot which at this iteration if you didn't is kind of embarrassing not to so i guess your in an even worse position now bud.

while you and me dont care about double dots, you had the majority of healers in other social media mourn and had their soul ripped so guess what that says...(a hint: majority means more the half agree with an opinion)

so you don't represent the masses, neither am i but reality proves that healer community do care about the issues brought by the healer strike and its not something you can deny well unless you prefer to bury your head in sand and go lalala.

cause the truth is, if people didn't care at all. this thread would have been ignored and not liked by more then 10 people.

[KitiaraIornsight]

Thank you, this is the entire point I was trying to make, because people were so shocked to see the devs go the opposite direction of what was asked for here and for me, it somewhat makes sense. The idea that the topics claimed here, especially in this thread, somehow representing the gaming audience as a whole makes no sense when you compare the playerbase count versus the amount of people posting on the forums. It's quite obvious that the topics seen here express a very small minority of the gaming audience as a whole.

*extreme sarcasm incoming*
But it made it to big streamers' streams and some gaming websites posted articles about it so it MUST be the majority view..... yet its a non issue on the ffxiv subreddit which has far more members and activity than the official forums, the majority of articles that got posted with comments had people going "huh, why tho? no me" and yet they still are stubborn in their view that because it got around 300 likes and 5000 comments (mostly arguing with those that don't agree with them) that somehow they are the majority.

[Kozmakis]

It's quite obvious that the topics seen here express a very small minority of the gaming audience as a whole.

You fell in a common pitfall of making assumptions, unfortunately. The fact that people don't read/post on forums doesn't automatically mean they do not agree or feel the same way. Otherwise, what you are saying is sensible.

[Isala]

No, I don't care if it has double DOTs or not. I've played other jobs, such as bard who has double dots, and I was thrilled the day they added the magic button that refreshed BOTH DOTs simultaneously because god forbid I get caught even in casual content by try hards that would call someone out for letting a DOT fall off even for .5secs.... so yeah, i'm glad i don't have to manage two DOTs... it was annoying on bard before they added the skill that refreshed both, it was annoying on scholar back in the day, it was annoying on Summoner back in the day. I even healed back when stance dancing was a thing, also highly annoying. I've been through all the ways healers have changed and the current way they play, both shields and pure heals is a direct result of feedback the devs received over the years and that's what the majority of strikers seem to overlook. Healing got so hard that people wouldn't TOUCH the job. They made it easier, then there was still a large chunk that said "I don't want to dps I want to heal" they took away all but the bare minimum and now a small portion of the player base wants to reverse course on that. I'm at the point where I'm convinced there will never be a happy side in this, but at the end of the day the Devs do have more data about things than anyone knows and there is clearly a reason why they are sticking to the current healer design.

PFFFFFFFFFFTT! You serious? The same devs that designed 1.0, because they "clearly knew better". This dev team does not have a great track record of making good decisions for their playerbase. Look at the condition of Viera and Hrothgar, and tell me that this dev team makes design choices for clear reasons. The same dev team that had to nerf Ninja because players found a better rotation. The same dev team that had to buff AST after telling people for MONTHS that they just didn't understand AST.

Also, who are these imaginary try hards who will yell at you for dropping a DoT? Cause you're out here making up enemies to fight in your head just like you're making up a quality dev team.

[KitiaraIornsight]

yes it called being stubborn and ignore feedback.

tbh being afraid of being called out is a you problem not a dev.

while you and me dont care about double dots, you had the majority of healers in other social media mourn and had their soul ripped so guess what that says...(a hint: majority means more the half agree with an opinion)

so you don't represent the masses, neither am i but reality proves that healer community do care about the issues brought by the healer strike and its not something you can deny well unless you prefer to bury your head in sand and go lalala.

cause the truth is, if people didn't care at all. that thread would have been ignored and not liked by more then 10 people.

uh you must not be on the same social media as me, because no, most healers i know and posts i've seen have been quite the opposite.

[Kira619]

The purpose of a claim doesn't make the claim true or false. And doens't change the meaning of the words used to make a the claim. And people not posting on the forums doesn't prove anything. That doens't prove they either agree, or disagree.

You know it's alright to admit you made a mistake (even if was very silly to make the same mistake you are accusing others of, in the very same post), and that it wasn't your intent to make assumptions about opinions of the wider FF playerbase. Doubling down in such an obvious logial falacy doesn't give credit to any of your opinions.

It does make the claim false, that's the point. There is no way to state that traffic value seen here somehow represents the majority of the gaming bloc within FFXIV, because it doesn't. The only correct statement you made in replying is that people not posting on this thread doesn't prove that they agree or disagree. But it does prove that this threat cannot and should not be the gauge as to what the majority of players feel towards these topics.

So you attempting to twist the narrative into a gotcha viewpoint does nothing but clearly attempt gaslight me into somehow believing I was stating the FF audience believes in my opinion, and reflects a lack of listening to what is actually being said, versus what you want to be said.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

The silent majority has spoken by making healer queues so short,

if the game's playerbase likes healers so much, why aren't they playing healers?

Another self quote moment

[CrimsonGunner]

uh you must not be on the same social media as me, because no, most healers i know and posts i've seen have been quite the opposite.

well i don't ignore those that think differently then me so that can also be the reasons.
i can disagree with their opinion but i won't cancel them out but you do you.