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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    It is factually incorrect to claim that content is unclearable without the healer DPS'ing. If people really gave a care about their DPS, every single DPS would be a black mage since they have the highest DPS output. No ranged DPS at all. That DPS gap between having 1 DNC/MCH/BRD vs one BLM is bigger than the Healer DPS'ing at all.
    This is simply not true and a cursory glance at literally any of the many resources and datapoints we have on the matter would show you that this is not true. The difference between a physranged and a BLM is not 'bigger than the healer DPS'ing', because a Healer DPS'ing is going to deal anywhere from 6k to something like 7.8k damage (with current BIS). There's not a 6k damage difference between a DNC and a BLM unless you are looking at 'ADPS' and not factoring in the fact that DNC has buffs that it contributes to the team, but even then, the median for ADPS for DNC (current savage) is 10.9k, and BLM 14.6k. So, about 50% of what ONE Healer contributes, now factor in that there's two Healers in the party for this kind of content

    Yoshi-P's been shown to be incorrect in his assertions in interviews numerous times, when it comes to Healers. For example, he has said at one point in SB that 'SCH was leaving WHM to do all the healing', and data showed that not only was SCH giving out equal HPS to WHM in optimized runs, if mitigation was considered as HPS then (as it is now), the SCH in those examples would have been soaring ahead of WHM's HPS, since all the damage Soil blocks would suddenly count for HPS
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    Kohashi's Avatar
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    Lucaon Soho
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    This is simply not true and a cursory glance at literally any of the many resources and datapoints we have on the matter would show you that this is not true. The difference between a physranged and a BLM is not 'bigger than the healer DPS'ing', because a Healer DPS'ing is going to deal anywhere from 6k to something like 7.8k damage (with current BIS). There's not a 6k damage difference between a DNC and a BLM unless you are looking at 'ADPS' and not factoring in the fact that DNC has buffs that it contributes to the team, but even then, the median for ADPS for DNC (current savage) is 10.9k, and BLM 14.6k. So, about 50% of what ONE Healer contributes, now factor in that there's two Healers in the party for this kind of content

    Yoshi-P's been shown to be incorrect in his assertions in interviews numerous times, when it comes to Healers. For example, he has said at one point in SB that 'SCH was leaving WHM to do all the healing', and data showed that not only was SCH giving out equal HPS to WHM in optimized runs, if mitigation was considered as HPS then (as it is now), the SCH in those examples would have been soaring ahead of WHM's HPS, since all the damage Soil blocks would suddenly count for HPS
    Depends if we are talking about ECHO or not. Healers with echo generally do 8.5k-9.5k easily (depends on the fight as well because in p12s and p9s, the boss leaves the arena for Limit Cut).

    But you are right, there is no way in hell you go past the enrage with healers doing nothing. 14k-18k damage difference is not something to neglect.
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