#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[FiletMignon]

I guess it depends on what you are asking. If you are asking for a full party with 2 healers and these two healers actually do 0 dps and just focus heals vs a full party of 8 players of just tanks and dps. TOP has been cleared with 0 healers in party.

[Aidorouge]

i find it funny when people try to diminish forum feedback as if it shouldn't be considered because "it isn't the majority of the player-base"
Then why have forums in the first place?

My solution has always been to put those types of people on ignore. I mean, they said it themselves, "forum posts don't matter" so why would I want to read anything they have to say?

The idea as well that "only what people say/do in-game should matter" is also dubious because as was mentioned a long while ago, some people were talking about engaging in griefing behavior both for and against the strike (healers refusing to heal, tanks and DPS deliberately standing in bad, etc). Are we really supposed to assume that because these things were uttered in chat that they're going to represent the "majority" of what healers/tanks/DPS are going to be acting like in duty finder? I certainly hope not.

[Striker44]

We're not trying to declare how some majority feels and no one has ever said that but you. We are trying to get attention to *our* concerns with healer because we are passionate about the game and want to improve it and make it more fun.

The issue is that the second part is predicated on the first being true. What one person considers "improving" something or making it "more fun" could just as easily turn someone else off or make it unenjoyable, and that person could be just as passionate about the game as the first person. By its very nature, "improving" the game through a change requires the majority of the playerbase to see it that way. If doing something like adding a full dps rotation to healers makes someone here happy, but for every person here that wants it, there's 4 other people in-game who now find healing "ruined" for them, you haven't improved the game - you've actually done the opposite.

Thank you for actually just making their strike succeed. They get to play the fun DPS jobs while you now, in your attempt to "gotcha" them, have to play the terribly-designed and boring jobs.

To the person who said this in response to someone saying they would now intentionally switch to healing...what? Are you suggesting the true purpose of the strike is what its supporters have been trying to deny all along - to take fun away from other people? Because that's the only way this makes sense. Aside from misstating your personal opinion as if it's fact (others can find healers well-designed and quite enjoyable right now), the purported purpose of the strike is to see the devs change how healers work. If other people simply slide in and pick up the current healer role in your place, the dev team has no reason to actually change anything about it. In the end, the "success" of the strike is measured based on one thing and one thing only - is the healing role significantly changed in someway, and can said change be tied directly to the strike? If the dev team doesn't meaningfully alter how healers work, then the strike failed. Plain and simple.

[Supersnow845]

The issue is that the second part is predicated on the first being true. What one person considers "improving" something or making it "more fun" could just as easily turn someone else off or make it unenjoyable, and that person could be just as passionate about the game as the first person. By its very nature, "improving" the game through a change requires the majority of the playerbase to see it that way. If doing something like adding a full dps rotation to healers makes someone here happy, but for every person here that wants it, there's 4 other people in-game who now find healing "ruined" for them, you haven't improved the game - you've actually done the opposite.



To the person who said this in response to someone saying they would now intentionally switch to healing...what? Are you suggesting the true purpose of the strike is what its supporters have been trying to deny all along - to take fun away from other people? Because that's the only way this makes sense. Aside from misstating your personal opinion as if it's fact (others can find healers well-designed and quite enjoyable right now), the purported purpose of the strike is to see the devs change how healers work. If other people simply slide in and pick up the current healer role in your place, the dev team has no reason to actually change anything about it. In the end, the "success" of the strike is measured based on one thing and one thing only - is the healing role significantly changed in someway, and can said change be tied directly to the strike? If the dev team doesn't meaningfully alter how healers work, then the strike failed. Plain and simple.

And as has been stated 10 million times you also have no idea that changing the healers wouldn’t be of net benefit to the game. What’s the point of feedback even existing as a concept if every piece of feedback can be deflected as “think about the fact that you may actually be a minority and changing this thing may ruin it for other people”

Under your system the only way feedback would ever be “valid” is if square enix comes out directly and says “guys we are telling you to your face everyone hates healers PLEASE tell us how to fix them” which we know they will never do

[KisaiTenshi]

I'd like a citation on that developer statement but, even if they did say that, that's simply not true in our current FF XIV- I just gave you a few examples where fights cannot be cleared with 0 healer dps.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...NwqZTwPUw/edit

Q3.) So...healers now have their DPS scale with Mind AND accuracy is no longer an issue. Do you think this will lead to players having even higher expectations of healers to contribute DPS to content since it is a much easier thing to do now?

A.) First of all, we do not expect healers to contribute to DPS. However we know a lot of the cutting edge players enjoy this aspect about the job and that those progressing in the raids early on use it help clear the fights. We decided to make it so that the idea was more approachable and less punishing so that if a player wants to try it, they aren’t sacrificing all of their healing capabilities to do so like they were with the old Cleric Stance. We didn’t like seeing healers doing entire dungeons in Cleric Stance, especially if they forget to switch back and heal!

That being said, and I want you to really reinforce this to your viewers, I firmly believe it shouldn’t be mandatory and we do NOT have the expectation of them to DPS.

That came directly from Yoshi-P.

[Supersnow845]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...NwqZTwPUw/edit


That came directly from Yoshi-P.

That was from HW, it is no longer remotely mathematically possible to do that

[KisaiTenshi]

That was from HW, it is no longer remotely mathematically possible to do that

So you think Yoshi-P just turned and went "make these terrible DPS players suffer now." No.

Their design decisions have not changed, you can even see that on the third party site, the Healer's combined, can never contribute more than 10% of damage. The numbers are exactly the same as they were 7 years ago.

More to the point, if they intended the healer to DPS, the gap would be wider so you could not clear the content unless everyone was overgeared, including the healers.

[Supersnow845]

So you think Yoshi-P just turned and went "make these terrible DPS players suffer now." No.

Their design decisions have not changed, you can even see that on the third party site, the Healer's combined, can never contribute more than 10% of damage. The numbers are exactly the same as they were 7 years ago.

And the enrages are far tighter now than they were in coils

Day 1 week 1 even week 10 you cannot zero DPS on a healer and clear anything with an enrage it is simply not possible

[Kes13a]

That was from HW, it is no longer remotely mathematically possible to do that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9kGj4eLKTE

this came from Xeno apparently a year ago. seems they still dont know what to do with healers....

well, we know what direction they went.. which is as simple as possible

[rawker]

well, we know what direction they went.. which is as simple as possible

Seraphism just proves that they are still clueless on what to do with SCH.