#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[AddictedToWitches]

I LOVE being a scab healer

[Striker44]

Imagine still thinking the strike is about just adding more DPS. Those bad players have existed since ARR, so I'm indifferent to their plight. If they still don't have a handle on the job by level 90+, they're beyond hope so why should I care?

Well, the strike group itself doesn't seem to have any clue what they want as a group, which is important if they want it do anything. Imagine thinking you could throw a hissy fit, give 50 different things you want changed that all contradict each other, and then expecting developers to take you seriously...

As to "why you should care," the game by its nature needs to be designed so that groups of all levels of competence can be successful. Those very people you consider "beneath you" actually matter just as much as you do, if not more (if they're more numerous in size).

It better not be that the reasoning because it would show that the devs have not even the most basic idea of how to design a healer in their own game. Even Wow which is much more intensive in healing has both a better healing kit and a damage kit because they know that both are important.

How is this even a response to what you quoted? I was pointing out how many people participating in this "strike" are veterans of the game who, as healer mains, don't actually "see" what many other healers are like. Yet, the game needs to be designed so that even newer players of mediocre skill can be successful in casual content, which is a significant part of why healing has been changed in the game over the years. WoW is also made by a Western company. The JP culture does not tend to view both healing and damage as equally important for healers - they see the purpose of healers as to heal (shocking concept, no?) with DPS being secondary. The line of thought that only what one's own culture tends to value is important would be a showing of incompetency and a source of frustration when partaking in media from other cultures.

I am genuinely curious as to why? if after 90 levels, they dont know or want to know how to heal a group... why are the devs coddling them? not being able to do a job at cap, and expecting to be carried and do nothing, is impacting others enjoyment of the game, and could be seen as against the TOS. and you are okay with the devs CODING for that to get worse?

Because they're paying customers, and they probably far outnumber the people who might stop subscribing under the current approach (even the "go on strike" group are remaining actively subscribed). Then I read your next part and wonder why I bothered. Did you really just try to claim a person of average skill trying to play but not being "good enough" is griefing and violating the ToS? That is such a laughably elitist take and reflects tellingly on the "strike" movement as a whole. (For that matter, if one expert Tank gets in a party with three average players and consistently wipes the group by pulling more than they can handle, should that player be seen as violating the ToS?)

(Strike update for all - as of this afternoon, every single roulette had Tank as the Role In Need, and Tank queues were popping instantly while Healers had a minimal wait - usually it goes the other way.)

[Aidorouge]

Xeno has been pretty level-headed about this, and he generally has good viewpoints concerning accessability and whatnot that are directly related to this topic. I'm watching the interview right now.

I was going to say, I think the most notable person that was aggressively anti-striker (and terminally online) was that one person who tried to make a "shamesheet". We also have a few exceptional individuals in the topic who keep trying to pull the "oh boy faster queues for me" card without realizing that they're indirectly helping the pro-strikers by insuring they still get healthy queue times even with the increased amount of DPS right now.

The real "gotcha" is going to be seeing how many of these newfound healers stick with the role, because only a minority of them were playing it in any notable capacity before now (fewer still would even say they mained it), meanwhile the ex-healers (all of whom seem to have mained it) are finally free to move onto something they might actually enjoy. In a way, the strike already partially succeeded because it forced others to take up healer in a way that might be eye-opening to them, and for the ones who never had any complaints to begin with, well nothing changed for them at all now didn't it?

Even if SE sticks to their guns forever forward, the *demographic* of who is playing healer has undeniably shifted even if the mechanics of the job has stagnated, and now we wait to see if these new healers get any good at it, or even stay with it before they give up too, especially when so many of them are used to more dynamic and engaging mechanics from when they were tanks/DPS.

[Rolder50]

I was going to say, I think the most notable person that was aggressively anti-striker (and terminally online) was that one person who tried to make a "shamesheet". We also have a few exceptional individuals in the topic who keep trying to pull the "oh boy faster queues for me" card without realizing that they're indirectly helping the pro-strikers by insuring they still get healthy queue times even with the increased amount of DPS right now.

The real "gotcha" is going to be seeing how many of these newfound healers stick with the role, because only a minority of them were playing it in any notable capacity before now (fewer still would even say they mained it), meanwhile the ex-healers (all of whom seem to have mained it) are finally free to move onto something they might actually enjoy. In a way, the strike already partially succeeded because it forced others to take up healer in a way that might be eye-opening to them, and for the ones who never had any complaints to begin with, well nothing changed for them at all now didn't it?

Even if SE sticks to their guns forever forward, the *demographic* of who is playing healer has undeniably shifted even if the mechanics of the job has stagnated, and now we wait to see if these new healers get any good at it, or even stay with it before they give up too, especially when so many of them are used to more dynamic and engaging mechanics from when they were tanks/DPS.

At the end of the day, basic dungeon queues weren't too much of a concern (because of trusts mainly). I'll be real curious to see how party finder groups feel once people start doing EX and Savage

[Aidorouge]

At the end of the day, basic dungeon queues weren't too much of a concern (because of trusts mainly). I'll be real curious to see how party finder groups feel once people start doing EX and Savage

I could also see it affecting some statics/FCs as well, if their only healers go on strike and none of the others want to step up to fill the role. Going to get a whole lot of drama out of that, which probably makes it fortunate that we just got an update to mute/blacklists, sad as that sounds.

[Galvuu]

I was going to say, I think the most notable person that was aggressively anti-striker (and terminally online) was that one person who tried to make a "shamesheet".

The metrics for the sheet were a joke. If you cleared UCoB in 4.1 you were deemed a worse player than if you did it 6.5.
It wouldn't surprise me if he manipulated the data to make people who post here look worse, and that was literally stalker-levels of data. He dug names, homeworlds, logs... Creepy as hell.
Thank God every place deleted posts with that sheet. What the hell was that...

[TheRealQuah]

How's this healer strike going? Instant queues every time on DPS today. Have not had to queue for a single second.

[Striker44]

I was going to say, I think the most notable person that was aggressively anti-striker (and terminally online) was that one person who tried to make a "shamesheet". We also have a few exceptional individuals in the topic who keep trying to pull the "oh boy faster queues for me" card without realizing that they're indirectly helping the pro-strikers by insuring they still get healthy queue times even with the increased amount of DPS right now.

This argument feels like desperation...the people undermining our strike are actually supporting it! Nope, they're undermining it. The entire stated purpose of the strike is to pressure SE into making changes to the healer role. If other people simply swoop in and take the spots of those who go on "strike," then SE has no reason to change anything. Plain and simple. At the end of the day, success or failure of the "strike" is determined by whether it leads to SE making any meaningful changes to healers and healing. Those who haven't been healers previously that slide into that role now are directly detrimental to the strike.

[Rolder50]

How's this healer strike going? Instant queues every time on DPS today. Have not had to queue for a single second.

Sure. Queued for Leveling Roulette as a DPS just to test, average wait time is more then 30m

[GrimGale]

Sure. Queued for Leveling Roulette as a DPS just to test, average wait time is more then 30m

I had instant DPS queues above level 90 too. It seems all the DPS players are stuck leveling either VPR or PCT with hour long leveling queues in under level 90 content, while healers and tanks progressed the MSQ overwhelmingly saturating level 90+ dungeons.