#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[aiqa]

The problem is that it is extremely hard to balance tanks to feel tanky and satisfying to play while also making them dependant on healers because you require me to hurt in order to play your fantasy, but me hurting too often kills my fantasy.
I do not think this problem could be solved without heavily redesigning all tanks around defense and party protection (Perhaps more mechanics requiring tanks to do stuff like paladin wings instead of the current wack-a-dodge)

But i do not have faith on them doing any of this, so what i fear is for them to just nerf us to appease you somewhat, and neither of us truly getting what we want, which is more likely what is going to happen.

Yeah it's fun being overpowered in a multiplayer game. But I hope you'll understand it's not a great look to ask for sympathy for your fears about losing that, from the role that is most effected by overtuned tanks. Other players are not just there as support characters for WAR tanks to enjoy their power fantasy.

[Ruruura]

Yeah it's fun being overpowered in a multiplayer game. But I hope you'll understand it's not a great look to ask for sympathy for your fears about losing that, from the role that is most effected by overtuned tanks. Other players are not just there as support characters for WAR tanks to enjoy their power fantasy.

I mean i play PLD and SGE so i would not know, but as i said before, the problem here is that the entire game is designed around DPS instead of defense.

If you want to take healing away then you have to give tanks something else, you cannot just turn tanks into "dps with a provoke" so that you feel relevant and useful.

But what?

If you make us more tanky and chonky, like the classic design, then a whole new healing issue will happen as healing will be slow and predictable and only busters will be a real threat, which i doubt is much more engaging than what you have now.

[Aword3213]

The problem is that it is extremely hard to balance tanks to feel tanky and satisfying to play

They definitely can. They just don't bother.

while also making them dependant on healers because you require me to hurt in order to play your fantasy, but me hurting too often kills my fantasy.

It's SE fault when they gave too much power to tanks. Now people have tasted the power of one man army being tanks, they definetely don't want it to be taken away. I play tanks more often than healers. I think tanks are overpowered and it's hurting the game. Tanking is also quite boring because you no longer have to worry about enmity and your defensives are just oGCD gated by cooldown without any interaction with your kits with only few exceptions.

They don't have to remove self sustain on tanks though. Increasing pressure on tanks would be an option too, like bringing back cleaves and returning critical hit to bosses.

I do not think this problem could be solved without heavily redesigning all tanks around defense and party protection (Perhaps more mechanics requiring tanks to do stuff like paladin wings instead of the current wack-a-dodge)

They did sweeping change before. They can do it again.

But i do not have faith on them doing any of this, so what i fear is for them to just nerf us to appease you somewhat, and neither of us truly getting what we want, which is more likely what is going to happen.

I support nefing tanks not because of healer strike, but from a perspective that direction taken on tanks is detrimental to the game

[Kes13a]

the WoW announcement, like it or not, indicates an actual vision for their developers and where they plan to take both healers and tanks.

we get nothing. I dont really care either way if they want us to be green dps or healers or just a body that gets carried in content... but have the common courtesy and decency TO LET US KNOW!

its their game, and all this continued silence is saying is "we dont know what we are doing and there is no clear vision of where we are going with healers. we arent even sure we want them"

[Bobby66]

the WoW announcement, like it or not, indicates an actual vision for their developers and where they plan to take both healers and tanks.

we get nothing. I dont really care either way if they want us to be green dps or healers or just a body that gets carried in content... but have the common courtesy and decency TO LET US KNOW!

its their game, and all this continued silence is saying is "we dont know what we are doing and there is no clear vision of where we are going with healers. we arent even sure we want them"

I do agree they need to tell us what they plan going forward and stick with it. That way players can make the choice if said role is meant for them or if the game is meant for them.

[CaptainLagbeard]

I do agree they need to tell us what they plan going forward and stick with it. That way players can make the choice if said role is meant for them or if the game is meant for them.

It's not so much about a role not being for everyone, but them constantly whittling a role down and not replacing it with anything.
While damage for now in DT isn't actually completely negligible, it will have to be seen how much of it remains after people gear up... A lot of attacks from bosses are generally completely avoidable, and extremely punishing if you do get hit. This creates a situation where you only heal when people stand in AoEs, or just have to move straight to raising them.

And what unavoidable damage there is, is often completely manageable with little to no work from a Healer.


And thus, by Square's own design, Healers shouldn't Heal. But they refuse to give Healers anything else.

[Wildheaven182]

One issue is that healers rarely need to heal.

Another issue is that while healers are not healing, they have nothing to do but press 1 button.

No one wants a full job dps rotation on healers. But something small and engaging that doesnt discourage healing would be nice.
Putting out random instances of small but unavoidable damage would fix most of the problem.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

One issue is that healers rarely need to heal.

Another issue is that while healers are not healing, they have nothing to do but press 1 button.

No one wants a full job dps rotation on healers. But something small and engaging that doesnt discourage healing would be nice.
Putting out random instances of small but unavoidable damage would fix most of the problem.

Agreed; to expand on this; the role homogenization of Healers and Tanks leads to unengaging gameplay. Generally the way a Astro and Sage play compared to the more vanilla WHM and SCH with their flashy card draws and Kardia buff are still ultimately the same mechanics. Tanks have it even worse; You got a big mit, a lil mit, a teammate mit, a party mit and then a DPS rotation. In the end though your almost always playing the same class with the variance being your rotation.

Honestly I feel its just Warriors being just in a really good place. The reality is many groups wipe once they lose a healer as there are many fights that cannot last for long periods without one for everyone but the Tanks. I always am reminded of the last boss of Dead ends who puts are large amounts of party damage constantly to the point where only Warrior and Paladin can reliably survive it.

Edit - I would also like to suggest removal of Tank invulns...

As for self sustain; I kinda feel that DRK is in the right place; I haven't seen a instance of Dark Knights doing no healer runs of any of the recent content (I do think there was a EW run but as I recall it had other tanks). I know Paladin provided they maintain a tight mana rotation can sustain and support...not so sure about Gunbreaker at the moment.

[Aravell]

As an example I love old SMN, and would pay any amount of money to get it back but I understand it was removed for a reason and to request it back seems disingenuous without offering a solution that acknowledges why it was changed in the first place. That is what I am trying to say, hope it makes sense.

I'm not sure why it's disingenuous to ask for something we enjoy to come back?

This is a game, we play it to have fun, if we no longer have fun after changes, we are within our rights to ask for those changes to be reverted. That's not entitlement, that's not disingenuous, that's just feedback.

[BunnyQueen]

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At this point it is best to ignore them, I feel like they don't want to really heal.