#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[S4M4EL]

Eh? The forums are here for people to talk about whatever they wish to talk about regarding FFXIV. That's the purpose of the forums. But forums aren't given the amount of weight some people assume for a slew of reasons....

I understand what you mean, and what i am about to say is not meant to create conflict.

I know forums don't represent the majority of the player-base, and i know forums (as a concept) don't exist to be a "direct feedback platform" kind of place. But where can we actually give feedback to help devs do something? If you go to the "feedback and suggestions" in the support center, you get this nice message: "Please submit your feedback through the FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Forums" , but for some people forums should not be considered as a feedback platform? Then why don't SE create idk, more surveys and share with players related to specific jobs and get actual feedback to try to reach a "middle ground"?

I believe that when you see, every single expansion, popular threads talking about the same topic, that topic should get some attention, specially if these threads are being submitted in the exact place considered by them to be the "feedback place".
What i don't agree with is people trying to discredit what forum participants are saying only because "it doesn't represente the majority of the player-base", as if forum players are not players at all and their opinions shouldn't matter.

Also, yes, there are players who are satisfied, we will never, in any scenario, in any context reach 100% agreement, and most of these players don't want to participate in discussions, however, there are probably players who are not satisfied, are not vocal about it, and just give up on the job (or the game as a whole idk), so it's hard to use these kind of arguments instead of actually stating opinions respectfully (i'm not saying you are being disrespectful, i'm referring to people saying we are whining, etc.)
I am not of the "this is what WE WANT" mindset because i don't represent everyone, but i noticed that most of the healers in these forums share the exact same frustrations, should their voices not be considered? To complain about different topics is one thing, but to have multiple groups of people complaining about the same topic every single expansion is definitely something worth considering.

[Kira619]

I understand what you mean, and what i am about to say is not meant to create conflict.
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Oh I agree, to be honest I feel like corporations do a horrible job in soliciting feedback due to the multitude of reasons you given. Funny enough, the best example I saw of a game soliciting feedback is a mobile gacha game called tower of fantasy. There, the surveys was sent to a player's inbasket IN-GAME, and players were incentives to take the survey by receiving crystals that could be used for unlocking characters. They stated on their website that they receive tons of feedback through this model and I think a model like this in FFXIV would work infinitely better. That way, you reach your gaming audience as a whole so you have a larger response and you don't have to worry about "discrediting it" like many often discredit the negative nature of a forum. People are much more likely to submit a survery if they receive a free dragon mount along with it lol.


The biggest problem, however, is I honestly don't believe Square is looking a lot into feedback at the moment. And that's largely due to the recent boom in FFXIV's popularity. According to the same MMO website, FFXIV and WoW are literally neck in neck in daily player count. That certainly wasn't the case when FFXIV first came out. Yoshi has regularly referred to the explosion of popularity seen with the introduction of Shadowbringer and Endwalker, while many within this thread has stated problems have gotten worse over the last two expansions. That by itself spells a major conflict because Square is going to listen a lot more to a rise in subscriber count and daily player activity then negative feedback given on website forums.

To use an analogy would be Post Malone. Many who started with Post Malone knows he began making music with a hip-hop/r'b vibe. He was popular for sure, but his populairity reached new heights when he transition to more of a pop/country style singer. Now are there people upset towards Post Malone cross over and prefer his old content? Certainly, but he's less likely going to listen to it when he's reaching new levels of success under a different genre, even if the people who prefer his r'b/hip hop approach have legitimate concerns. The same applies to FFXIV, Yoshi's seeing unprecedent success in FFXIV with Shadowbringers and Endwalkers.

For FFXIV to take really take in feedback, they need to be on a downward slump, not a upwards rise. That's what happened with WoW and why you're starting to see WoW take elements that were incorporated in FFXIV (I'm looking at you Delves lol.) For WoW, Shadowlands was there "come to jesus" moment, Diablo IV had something similar in their patch that nerfed everyone, causeing a massive departure of players. It was so bad they started fireside chats to to damage control lol. FFXIV needs something similar in order for them to be more receptive to the requests seeing here.

[Kes13a]

For FFXIV to take really take in feedback, they need to be on a downward slump, not a upwards rise. That's what happened with WoW and why you're starting to see WoW take elements that were incorporated in FFXIV (I'm looking at you Delves lol.) For WoW, Shadowlands was there "come to jesus" moment, Diablo IV had something similar in their patch that nerfed everyone, causeing a massive departure of players. It was so bad they started fireside chats to to damage control lol. FFXIV needs something similar in order for them to be more receptive to the requests seeing here.

that will not be for 2 years.

Yoshi P has said they made a mistake and went to far in simplification. with some of the other changes I have heard that they are rumoured to be looking at, I expect that 8.0 could make the game better.... or stick it in a hole so deep they are unlikely to ever recover from... no matter HOW much feedback they get. I really like the game, but they have been coasting on the goodwill from ARR for so long... I think they believe they can do no wrong.

I hope its not true... but as they say.. "if wishes were horses...."