#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Ixon]

let’s be real if I had people pay 15 bucks a month for a 2 buttons gameplay while the other roles can full heal themselves without you as a “healer” then why the hell would I not play anything else if my entire trinity existence gets thanos snapped by almost every other dps and tank job in this game.

What. Every job needs a healer in most content other than like, WAR? PLD at a cost to dps? RDM Vercure's aren't keeping a tank topped. In fact, Viper comes with ZERO defensives other than a 120sec and 90sec abilities that hardly sustain over a fight. I will agree that SOME of the healing, shielding, and mit should be taken from the other roles and placed back on the healers, but speaking in hyperboles and over-exaggerations kills any sensible conversation.

[Supersnow845]

What. Every job needs a healer in most content other than like, WAR? PLD at a cost to dps? RDM Vercure's aren't keeping a tank topped. In fact, Viper comes with ZERO defensives other than a 120sec and 90sec abilities that hardly sustain over a fight. I will agree that SOME of the healing, shielding, and mit should be taken from the other roles and placed back on the healers, but speaking in hyperboles and over-exaggerations kills any sensible conversation.

The sustain of the other roles massively devalues the healer

Put it this way, with the sustain the tanks and DPS have instead of needing to heal every 30 seconds I only need to heal every 90 seconds, so every piece of sustain that’s given to the other roles is one less piece of healing I actually need to do and more broil I’m stuck pressing

I should also inform you zero healer clears of all casual content is relatively easy in a decent group and no healer clears of savage isn’t uncommon

[Dogempire]

The sustain of the other roles massively devalues the healer

Put it this way, with the sustain the tanks and DPS have instead of needing to heal every 30 seconds I only need to heal every 90 seconds, so every piece of sustain that’s given to the other roles is one less piece of healing I actually need to do and more broil I’m stuck pressing

I should also inform you zero healer clears of all casual content is relatively easy in a decent group and no healer clears of savage isn’t uncommon

They should honestly just take all the healing tanks have and instead focus on making the actual mitigation tools stronger, maybe not stuff like Reprisal or Shake it Off, but stuff like Rampart, TBN, Bloodwhetting, etc.

If you've got 40% damage mitigation then you're still dying, just a decent bit slower compared to only 15% or 20% mitigation. It still makes the job easier for healers while also not making them irrelevant by having the healer basically go AFK on heals while the warrior has their bloodwhetting on.

[Katish]

What. Every job needs a healer in most content other than like, WAR? PLD at a cost to dps? RDM Vercure's aren't keeping a tank topped. In fact, Viper comes with ZERO defensives other than a 120sec and 90sec abilities that hardly sustain over a fight. I will agree that SOME of the healing, shielding, and mit should be taken from the other roles and placed back on the healers, but speaking in hyperboles and over-exaggerations kills any sensible conversation.

Have done full pulls in dungeons with the weakest sustaining tank DRK, without a healer or RDM. It's hilarious. You should check out our run of Mt gulg, min item lvl (below questing gear), sync, full extended pulls (all five pulls, three at the end) no healer. It is truly eye opening and yet depressing at the same time. It is posted in the server. Feel free to see how needed a healer actually is, spoiler alert, they aren't.

By the way, I chose DRK to prove a point in sustain, I hadn't touched it for five months (don't like the concept of not contributing the most dps while having the least amount of sustain). I am in no way a DRK main, but we accomplished way more than I think you should be able to.

[Supersnow845]

Have done full pulls in dungeons with the weakest sustaining tank DRK, without a healer or RDM. It's hilarious. You should check out our run of Mt gulg, min item lvl (below questing gear), sync, full extended pulls (all five pulls, three at the end) no healer. It is truly eye opening and yet depressing at the same time. It is posted in the server. Feel free to see how needed a healer actually is, spoiler alert, they aren't.

By the way, I chose DRK to prove a point in sustain, I hadn't touched it for five months (don't like the concept of not contributing the most dps while having the least amount of sustain). I am in no way a DRK main, but we accomplished way more than I think you should be able to.

Basically from experimenting with 1T3D comps the healer is functionally there to cover their own shortfall

A DRK (and depending on the pull a GNB) generally can’t survive long enough to finish the pull without a healer………….when the pull is going slower because there is a healer in the party and not a 3rd DPS

So healers are basically an enforced burden generated by their own shortfalls

[Katish]

Basically from experimenting with 1T3D comps the healer is functionally there to cover their own shortfall

A DRK (and depending on the pull a GNB) generally can’t survive long enough to finish the pull without a healer………….when the pull is going slower because there is a healer in the party and not a 3rd DPS

So healers are basically an enforced burden generated by their own shortfalls

Indeed this is true, so when a healer just isn't pressing their dps button it's felt that much more in bigger pulls. The role is designed with huge failure in mind, and in my opinion, that makes it a huge failure. Some of our group failed some mechanics and we were still able to recover in the drk comp, reminder we did it below questing gear on all dungeons (min ilvl). So that tells me, the healer is only there for the worst of the worst, and if that isn't occurring they might as well not be there.

[Turtledeluxe]

They're going to tell you it's just too hard to heal and all that sustain was added because of the bottom 5% off healers rather than maybe just bad WAR players.

Which, to be clear, I do not know that. Yet there's nothing disproving it either.

[Ayer2015]

I just wanted to chime in again and say; I'm tired of hearing content creators constantly voicing their opinion that healers are fine as is. The role is required in high end content and what do healers expect from dungeon content that needs to be accessible.

What I expect is a fully realized damage loop on my healer for when healing is not required and/or for solo content.

[PercibelTheren]

I just wanted to chime in again and say; I'm tired of hearing content creators constantly voicing their opinion that healers are fine as is. The role is required in high end content and what do healers expect from dungeon content that needs to be accessible.

What I expect is a fully realized damage loop on my healer for when healing is not required and/or for solo content.

Are they actually voicing that opinion? Genuine question, I don't have the time or energy to follow a lot of them. What I've seen is "this strike is stupid" but then they agreed that there are problems with healers.

[Sotaris]

What I've seen is "this strike is stupid"

It kind of is. Facinating that yall manage to vent about healer for 516 pages though.