#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[ToodlesElNoodles]

I'm going to go read the patch notes now... I'll be back later if anyone replies to me. I really want to have a good faith conversation to understand what is going on and why... and we're getting there, but I really need to read the patch notes before I forget AGAIN!! >_<

I’m glad you want to have a good faith conversation. But just so ya know, it’s hard to have a good faith conversation when players who have been maining healer for a long time are trying again to improve the situation, and someone comes in (who also doesn’t main healer) patronizing their experiences and emotions. (Such as saying: you just need to change jobs, do something different!).

Give people credit here that they actually are coming from experiences/emotions that have merit.They know how they’re feeling. Get to understand that. Edit: And trust me, the Healer forums and even r/ffxivdiscussion has spent a lot of time discussing these things. If you think you have a solution, you probably don’t because someone has already thought it up. Do some research instead.

I used to think back in ShB that the healer complaints were overblown. Especially since I mained Healer in WoW. After actually playing Extremes/Savages in EW, then hopping back into Roulette content…I found myself zoning out, looking at my phone, or even falling asleep in Deep Dungeons and other stuff because FF14 content is NOT challenging and Healers are just plain boring when the content refuses to allow them to do their roles as healers.

[Zaytex]

the devs explaining their changes for healers:

''we've increased attack variation''

Ah yes, my 1-3 buttons I press every 2 minutes, or a button I don't even press outside dungeons, really adds variation to my 90% GCD uptime of glare.

they really said ''increase attack variation'' and removed sge double dots in the same breath - LOL?

[Flay_wind]

You're misunderstanding the statement made. Nowhere did I say "I believe that Tanks are too Squishy." I said "I believe more people view that tanks are too squishy." Hence Square listening to that feedback and beefing up Tanks Damage Migitation, which is the exact opposite of what was asked in this thread. The purpose of the statement wasn't to point to my personal belief on particular matter on Tanks damage migitation, but my belief on why Square went the direction that they did in Dawntrail.

Well, i do not see how tanks are percieved as squishy, but it is what it is, i guess.
It's unlikely that SE will undo the general tank buffs they did, so.
One must imagine Sisyphus happy. =)

[Wildheaven182]

It's just...confusing why they want healers to just be healers in a gameplay environment that has repeatedly proven to not be designed with such as the top priority.

It wouldn't surprise me if the sole reason Eurkrasian Dyskrasia got nerfed from the media tour was because of their whining.

It's their culture and is a toxic part of it. It is literally that it is more important to serve one's societal expectations than fulfilling the purpose of those expectations.
This translates to, it is more important to arbitrarily fill an unfun role than it is to make the role fun. You have a societal obligation to heal whether you like it or not and also you are looked down on as being unimportant at the same time. If you dare speak up you shame yourself for going against social order.

[Hellebore_Ghrian]

the devs explaining their changes for healers:

''we've increased attack variation''

Ah yes, my 1-3 buttons I press every 2 minutes, or a button I don't even press outside dungeons, really adds variation to my 90% GCD uptime of glare.

they really said ''increase attack variation'' and removed sge double dots in the same breath - LOL?

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91% to 90% is variation. /s

[ToodlesElNoodles]

So, about “WHM increased attack variation”.

In 2 min time, you have 48 casts in 2 min. I’ll be generous and say 5 casts are Dia, so 43 casts are Glare III. After PoM, 3 casts are PoM+ as Glare IV. 3 out of 43 casts are going to be Glare IV. That’s a variation of 6.97%. Which means 93.03% of the time, it’s the same thing.

I’ll be a suck-up, let’s say we use a Lily every time it’s available and then use Afflatus Rapture. That’s 8 casts in 2 min. That’s 32 Glare III casts and 3 Glare IV casts. That’s still 1 min and 20 seconds of pressing the same button.

Thats not variation at all.

[Kozmakis]

If you're not enjoying the game, by all means change jobs! Just know that this void you're leaving behind is one of the most sought-after jobs in the game. Everyone needs a healer to queue. There just aren't any competent healers left in the game anymore. If you have a way to queue without reaching out to a random healer through DF then good for you, but others joining this cause might not have that support. So I mean, it's literally a "pick your poison" situation for them. Play a job you don't like or have to sit in queue with 172,634 other DPS (IDK I made up that number) who also changed jobs.

Thanks for the clarification! I will also add a little bit about my personal interest in this (I joined the forums because of it, lol) - I have been a healer main for the past ±15 years in multiple MMOs. My play style is simple: smashing healing buttons, especially HoTs, but I digress! I do not want to name other games as I am not sure whether talking about them is okay on these forums. What I liked about FFXIV is the lack of pressure to have to login every day for many hours and do content I dislike just to farm gear, which will let me do something I enjoy afterwards. I knew healers work differently in FFXIV, compared to other MMOs - you are required to do damage and healing is either reactive or somewhat proactive/pre-shielding or pre-casting mitigation spells for certain mechanics.

So I tried Sage in EW, after losing interest in White Mage - what was supposed to be a "green DPS" - and I was surprised to see that I have a worse DPS rotation than in other MMOs, where damage-dealing is optional, unless you are the 1% of the population running the hardest content in the game. I can give you an example from such game in a DM (again, not sure if I can talk about other games freely here) with a 8-9 spell rotation, which include multiple DoTs, using mana as a resource, then shapeshifting (which also changes your 1st hotbar) to use spells with a different resource (not mana), half of which generate combo points and the other half consume the combo points as finishers... It's hard to even compare this to E.Dosis/E.Dyskrasia every 30 secs, Phlegma + Psyche in burst windows and Dosis/Dyskrasia spam... and healing is almost entirely oGCDs, i.e. click and forget, compared to casting HoTs (on GCD), then combo-ing other spells with them, again on GCD...

I still enjoy FFXIV, I will just try being a pure DPS (or maybe tank) for now, otherwise I feel I am misusing the small amount of time I have to play the game doing something I don't enjoy. If my choice increases queue time - it's the developer's problem. FFXIV made it easy for everyone to switch jobs, so others can step in, as you have also graciously offered, so the void will eventually be filled by other players, no need to panic

[Maltothoris]

And the sad thing is that whm still got it the best of them. For sch, it's just an ogcd dot and astro gets an ogcd with divnation and now just depends if you like the new cards or not. Poor sge just got psyche which didn't even get buffed from the media tour compared to glare 4 or oracle. While sch just got its dmg frontloaded and not lasting as long.

[Kira619]

Well, i do not see how tanks are percieved as squishy, but it is what it is, i guess.
It's unlikely that SE will undo the general tank buffs they did, so.
One must imagine Sisyphus happy. =)

Exactly, and that was my point. The clear tell for me that Square received more feedback that tanks were too squishy was them giving further damage migitation to tanks, which was the exact opposite of what was asked in this thread (removing tank damage migitation.) I do not believe that tanks are too squishy but nor do I believe they need their tank migitation removed. But I also know that I don't have a full picture on tanks since my highest tank is a 84 Gunblade. Hence why I refrained from giving a personal opinion on current tank migitation and focused more on my theory behind Square's motive. Ultimately my personal beliefs don't matter to moving the needle with Square if it's not the viewpoint of the majority of players providing feedback.

That's also what I wanted to get across to the previous poster, was the perceived notion of a grandiose number due to this thread having over 500 pages. Had the feedback been as high as some think, Square would not have went the direction that they did. Besides, 540 pages means very little outside of the fact that this is a very lively conversation. It surely doesn't mean that everyone in this thread supports all of the notions the Op presented cause I definitely don't and I'm adding to the page count. A better way to judge is to see how many people liked the Ops original post. That is a much better guage in determining who supports the message. Right now it sits at 368 people. This may seem like a lot, but according to mmo population, the daily player count for FFXIV as a whole sits at around 257,000 people.

https://mmo-population.com/r/ffxiv

That means at this moment, around 0.001% of the current playing demographic shares the same ideology as the OP. So the poster claiming 500 pages as evident of a large gaming bloc of FFXIV fell victim to being in an echo chamber and assuming this viewpoint had a much larger presence then what it actually is. And the key highlight of that is Square moving in the exact opposite direction that was asked via the Op (well specifically referring to the granting of additional tank migitation by Square vs the requested removal of tank migitation posted by the Op)

[Rolder50]

SE should put out an official survey so we can get some official numbers. But they won't.