#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[KitiaraIornsight]

I sit here watching this and for funsies queued dutyfinder with a smn since I was distracted by all these threads..... and in expert roulette had 3 party wipes due to mistakes by a healer that couldn't keep up and yet "we don't need healers anymore" and we had the god tier warrior tanking that supposedly can replace a healer

[Gullis]

I sit here watching this and for funsies queued dutyfinder with a smn since I was distracted by all these threads..... and in expert roulette had 3 party wipes due to mistakes by a healer that couldn't keep up and yet "we don't need healers anymore" and we had the god tier warrior tanking that supposedly can replace a healer

can't have been a godlike warrior if he didn't manage to solo the dungeon. what dungeon was that?

[KitiaraIornsight]

can't have been a godlike warrior if he didn't manage to solo the dungeon. what dungeon was that?

Lunar Sub..... but remember the whole argument is that a Warrior as a tank means healers are irrelavent and yet, the majority of my runs as a healer and as a dps says otherwise. But nooooooooooooooooo healers aren't needed, isn't that the point of the thread? Because a God Tier uWu tank cleared with 3 dps and no heals. I mean... Warriors don't need healers right? Yet somehow mine couldn't live once the healer ate mechanics and died.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Lunar Sub..... but remember the whole argument is that a Warrior as a tank means healers are irrelavent and yet, the majority of my runs as a healer and as a dps says otherwise. But nooooooooooooooooo healers aren't needed, isn't that the point of the thread? Because a God Tier uWu tank cleared with 3 dps and no heals. I mean... Warriors don't need healers right? Yet somehow mine couldn't live once the healer ate mechanics and died.

Are you really using the lowest common denominator here to argue that "healers are still needed, here is why"? Sorry, it doesn't matter how many healers and warriors you bring, if players are bad at mechanics they will die regardless. It is when people actually have a breath and a pulse in their system that things turn to spoiled milk for healers.

It does not take a god-tier savage/ultimate raider playing Warrior in a 1-3 healerless setup. It takes one that is at least semi-aware of mechanics and spreads out his cooldowns a bit between Bloodwhetting / Nascent Flash uses while occasionally healing a party member. You don't need to be a big-time raider to do this, you need basic intuition.

[KitiaraIornsight]

Are you really using the lowest common denominator here to argue that "healers are still needed, here is why"? Sorry, it doesn't matter how many healers and warriors you bring, if players are bad at mechanics they will die regardless. It is when people actually have a breath and a pulse in their system that things turn to spoiled milk for healers.

It does not take a god-tier savage/ultimate raider playing Warrior in a 1-3 healerless setup. It takes one that is at least semi-aware of mechanics and spreads out his cooldowns a bit between Bloodwhetting / Nascent Flash uses while occasionally healing a party member. You don't need to be a big-time raider to do this, you need basic intuition.

but that is the crux of the issue as a whole. The vast majority of the player base are HYPER casual players. They are not good at their jobs. Its a small minority that can pull of the things that everyone claims make healers irrelavent in the current state of the game.

[aiqa]

but that is the crux of the issue as a whole. The vast majority of the player base are HYPER casual players. They are not good at their jobs. Its a small minority that can pull of the things that everyone claims make healers irrelavent in the current state of the game.

For the easier content, where the hyper casual players struggle, a DRK is already a valid tank. But that same DRK can't easily do the biggest pulls in those same dungeons without healer support. So apparently it's possible to service both hyper casuals, without making healers irrelevant for somewhat more competent players.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

but that is the crux of the issue as a whole. The vast majority of the player base are HYPER casual players. They are not good at their jobs. Its a small minority that can pull of the things that everyone claims make healers irrelavent in the current state of the game.

So we should balance and design the game around players diving below the skill floor instead? I'm sorry, for how long do we want to enable hypercasual behaviour and when are we allowed to expect them to actually step it up a bit? We are approaching Lv100 for christ's sake.

The existence of hypercasuals unable to do things without a basic setup and still dying does not deny the fact that the moment they aren't hypercasuals you can actually do 1-0-3 parties with a warrior or have the healer be bored out of their mind between filler, dot and using a heal once a minute or 30s to recover "half" the HP lost over that time frame.

[KitiaraIornsight]

So we should balance and design the game around players diving below the skill floor instead? I'm sorry, for how long do we want to enable hypercasual behaviour and when are we allowed to expect them to actually step it up a bit? We are approaching Lv100 for christ's sake.

The existence of hypercasuals unable to do things without a basic setup and still dying does not deny the fact that the moment they aren't hypercasuals you can actually do 1-0-3 parties with a warrior or have the healer be bored out of their mind between filler, dot and using a heal once a minute or 30s to recover "half" the HP lost over that time frame.

you realize there is a large OLDER player base to this game, as in there are people with disabilites as well that will be locked out of the game if the floor is moved up too much beyond what it is. People in their 50s and 60s who play but don't have the reaction times of young ones in this game? People with disabilites that want to enjoy the normal content.

[Voidmage]

but that is the crux of the issue as a whole. The vast majority of the player base are HYPER casual players. They are not good at their jobs. Its a small minority that can pull of the things that everyone claims make healers irrelavent in the current state of the game.

I have to break a lance for the casuals here.
The vast majority of the playerbase is just casual, nothing more and nothing less. They play the game at their own speed, not perfect but not horrible either. Otherwise there would be far, far more horror stories if the majority was hyper casual.
Casual does not mean bad and I will die on this hill. You can even clear savage with a casual group.

Not saying your experience is wrong but it's not the norm either.
I also had terrible runs but far more good runs.

[Somnolence]

but that is the crux of the issue as a whole. The vast majority of the player base are HYPER casual players. They are not good at their jobs. Its a small minority that can pull of the things that everyone claims make healers irrelavent in the current state of the game.

This is a bit exaggerated. At least from my experience, majority of people in my roulettes play OK and they go smoothly: healers AoE, tanks mit, dps do their thing so the run takes expected amount of time - bellow 15min for dungeons.

There was a post on reddit where somebody did the stats on all the duties on mentor roulette grind and by his estimation 17% of the players played their jobs bad enough to be noticed.

As for what is needed, yesterday I had a run of Smileton. After the first pull I was curious what is happening, since Scholar was not using any healing abilities whatsoever (well, technically, Selene ) - they were not needed, I was tanking on WAR. I believe he only cast succor outside combat on me for chip dmg when pulling and some whispering dawn for unavoidable damage.

WAR shenanigans aside, there are not enough mechanics that damage dps that don't stand in bad. There is nothing for healer to do than be moral support mascot in this scenario.