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  1. #4071
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilwitch View Post
    This was a reasonable take up until blaming literally everyone who doesn't agree with you, which is plainly ridiculous.
    I didn't do that. I blamed Square Enix. The part you later quote was me countering several non-healer individuals who had a "stop ruining my game!" attitude towards this movement. I am not blaming them for the current state of healers in any way - I'm saying that their attitudes toward our dissatisfaction is unacceptable.

    Quote Originally Posted by lilwitch View Post
    Ya, other ppl don't get to decide what class u play.
    But you don't get to speak for me either.
    I don't recall doing so? My use of the collective "we" was intended to be very general, not a literal "every healer thinks this."

    Quote Originally Posted by lilwitch View Post
    don't also claim that anyone who doesn't agree with your specific take is hurting the role wtf.
    I didn't do that. Again, I pretty clearly state that Square Enix's design philosophy is what's hurting the role.

    Quote Originally Posted by lilwitch View Post
    Us vs them is stupid
    Agreed - so why are people coming in here and making it that, necessitating my refutation of their poor arguments?
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  2. #4072
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    healers are kinda funny how they are im just here to put my name on the spreadsheet
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  3. #4073
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    Quote Originally Posted by forumaccountyippee View Post
    healers are kinda funny how they are im just here to put my name on the spreadsheet
    Oh yes that speadsheet that communicates false information by not taking into account the content done in past expacs. Not even worth mentioning. Another Twitter trick, I suppose.
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    Healer? What do you even need one for?

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    Im on the spreadsheet and my highest level healer is CNJ at lv 15.
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  5. #4075
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    Saito Soji
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    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    You're the 5th person trying to get healers to unsubscribe. This was all answered before.

    - Continued attempt to convince people to unsubscribe cross the line from unwanted to creepy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellebore_Ghrian View Post
    Pretty sure it can be regarded as harassement btw.
    you don't know how right you are. The majority of those who have come in here telling us to; unsubscribe, that our points are invalid, that we aren't wanted here, that we shouldn't express our feedback...etc.

    Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV
    ■Communication based conflict
    Cited under ■Nuisance behavior
    See:
    ・Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion
    ・Expressions that compel a playing style
    ・Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, etc.


    Crazy right?
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  6. #4076
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amity_Roji View Post
    I didn't do that. I blamed Square Enix. The part you later quote was me countering several non-healer individuals who had a "stop ruining my game!" attitude towards this movement. I am not blaming them for the current state of healers in any way - I'm saying that their attitudes toward our dissatisfaction is unacceptable.
    That was how it read to me, but I'll apologize since you've clarified it. Sorry, lala.
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  7. #4077
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    For those who think the answer to this whole problem is “just play savage” what is your answer to the fact that savage and ultimate are overwhelmingly broil spam?

    Do you think that’s acceptable design? If it’s not does that not necessitate game wide kit changes that will naturally flow into casual content as well?

    If you think it’s acceptable design what is your justification for that given no other class exceeds 20% of their buttons being one button?
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  8. #4078
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    I like how this thread has surpassed the original healer complaint thread in a fraction of the time. Very fun let's keep it going!
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  9. #4079
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I like how this thread has surpassed the original healer complaint thread in a fraction of the time. Very fun let's keep it going!
    The thread is gonna surpass the Dark Knight megathread in no time at this rate, I'm actually impressed.
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  10. #4080
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    Sham Siel
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    [*]Self-sustain and healing abilities given to other roles.
    The choice/direction to give such abilities to roles outside of healer encroaches on the role.
    WAR, PLD, GNB and Red Mage????
    No other classes have any type of heals that would make healers completely worthless or easy to replace.
    But you ever asked yourself why that it? Why tanks have that type of heals?
    Small clue: To help the Healers.

    [*]Over simplified DPS rotation
    Every job in FFXIV has a 'filler GCD' skill that they press when there are no other requirements... etc
    Ever asked why that is the case?
    Small clue: People play with a controller. Do a full rotation on a controller while keeping the heals and target swapping in check.
    DPS and Tanks dont need to worry about being on a controller and the rotation can be more or less complicated, you can macro the small bits but 99% of the fight you only target one thing: THE ENEMY.

    [*]Homogenization of healer jobs
    Barrier/Pure healer split is largely redundant...etc
    So, whats the big idea?
    You know why BLM feels rewarding for knowing when to play your Lay Lines? Because knowledge is power. Its the same for Barrier healers, knowing how and when to use said barriers. FAT Barriers that make the boss deal 0 damage feel sooo goooood.


    Pure healers are the easy way in, White Mage is the easy one, Ast is the Hard one.
    You can have 0 knowledge of a fight and still do a pretty good job, learning and reaching the point where you can swap between Barrier and Pure heal and not feel punished. Again: Knowledge is power.

    [*]Excessive oGCD heals.
    These are not only abundant, but exceptionally powerful.. etc
    You should be thankful that those abilities are so many, expecially for casual play. Its casual content, it should be relaxed and easy to tackle, for those that seek higher challenges, there are modes that provvide said challenges, where you plan stuff ahead instead of "yolo". Do those.

    [*]Lack of engaging content outside the most difficult duties (Savage/Ultimate). i.e. the threat level is too low.
    Healers should feel like they have a place in all forms of content... etc

    Have you ever tried to Mentor Roulette with a healer? Like, ever?
    Its casual content with the spice that you seek in those "casual contents" but with a bit of challenge.
    Tanks that dont use CDs, Dps that run wild or do so little damage the mobs start using "Final Sting".
    The big pulls at Bardam's or Holminster's, the absolute chad pull on Mt. Gulg.


    I get your idea with the strike, but this is just... stupid.
    Making your life easier with mitigation? nha mate, you want to heal it all? Addle? Feint? Tactician?
    Remove ALL and you shall enjoy your panik heals because EVERYONE IS DEAD.

    You are burned out of the game or healing, trying something else.
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