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    Rowan Aarontagdh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I've said this a lot before, but the accessibility excuse is pure garbage.

    Stormblood was already very accessible. Despite my love for Heavensward, I have to admit that Stormblood did make the jobs generally less clunky and some of them did get more fun. But that should've been the end of their crusade for accessibility.

    All the changes from Shadowbringers onwards were absolutely unnecessary for accessibility, they didn't increase accessibility with those changes, they instead reduced skill expression significantly. Now we're stuck with 19 (soon 21) jobs with only 1 possible way to play without being wrong.

    I guess the only people who benefits from all this is the group of people who want to touch the ceiling without putting in the effort of climbing a ladder.
    Yeah, the over-concern for accessibility is bad, and accessibility is something no one complains about. No one says the game is hard to pick up, or too many jobs are difficult to pick up.
    This is in part because the game does not challenge you, so it does not teach you how to play the game. You don't learn how to play the game by playing it because they made it so easy. So people get to level 90 and get fully geared and raiders complain about the lack of healers, and specifically the lack of skilled healers entering savage.

    Yoship has actually also acknowledged the lack of healer participation in raids in endwalker. And also on top of this this raid tier has issues in itself too being unfun.
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    Last edited by Wildheaven182; 06-27-2024 at 01:39 PM.

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    I'm kind of surprised they haven't had more healer-specific gimmicks like Shinryu's dragon adds that needed to be healed out of existence or even simpler stuff like the selective Icelit Dragonsong dispels.

    WoW really loves giving bosses healing absorption debuffs that need to be healed off before the target can actually start recovering HP again and something similar would be a pretty easy way to pressure people into using GCD healing more.
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    The bar is so low there's literally endless possibilities to raise it, they just have to admit digging a hole to lower the bar in is having a toxic effect on the game
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Time to become RPer I guess lmao.

    I'm hoping for the upcoming Field Content in coming 7.25 (or 7.3) to get any semblance of fun with this garbage of a role. Creative Business Unit 3? More like Creatively Bankrupt Unit 3. Never change.
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    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

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    Like I understand it through the devs perspective, prolly thought having to press 2 button to dot every enemy for sge could be deemed annoying, but still a bummer. Really had 0 expectations for any healer changes beyond potency fiddling by launch though, that being said any jank potency really tells the devs just do not play test these jobs throughly enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    In a significantly different game, yes. If all heals on all roles had damage tradeoffs, then most heals from healers should too. But if there is any role that should be able to do healing without losing damage, that should be the healer role.
    I disagree. Having a gameplay loop of optimizing your healing is even more important on healers. DPS and tank jobs, though already pretty braindead, already have a core gameplay loop.

    If healing is just super free where is the depth of the healer role?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderClone View Post
    I disagree. Having a gameplay loop of optimizing your healing is even more important on healers. DPS and tank jobs, though already pretty braindead, already have a core gameplay loop.

    If healing is just super free where is the depth of the healer role?
    Damage trade off on heals from specifically healers, without first enforcing that on all heals from other roles, will make it even more difficult to have content of various difficulty levels where bringing a healer is optimal. And since most good players will want to contribute to running content optimally, will push healers even more into a green dps role.

    Healers feeling like they are not part of the optimal way to play the game, and healers not being rewarded for healing, are big reasons for this strike. Any big changes to healers should also improve those aspects, or at least not make them worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    "let me just be condescending and insult anyone who disagrees with me"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    I've said this a lot before - trying to masquerade opinions as if they're facts is what destroys credibility. Add in the last sentence for the classic "let me just be condescending and insult anyone who disagrees with me," and this could be the poster child for why "feedback" from those pushing the strike is ultimately discounted.
    I think you need to go learn reading comprehension again, everything I've said is an objective fact.

    Stormblood was already accessible, current game barely has skill expression, jobs have only one correct way to play. These are all indisputable facts.

    Also, the fact that you think the last line is insulting is very much a self-report. Notice how I said "people who benefit from this", not "people who enjoy this".
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    Elmind Exilus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I think you need to go learn reading comprehension again, everything I've said is an objective fact.

    Stormblood was already accessible, current game barely has skill expression, jobs have only one correct way to play. These are all indisputable facts.

    Also, the fact that you think the last line is insulting is very much a self-report. Notice how I said "people who benefit from this", not "people who enjoy this".
    I think a dictionary might be more useful, as what you are claiming an "objective fact" is really a "subjective opinion" (aka the complete opposite). Deciding when something is sufficiently "accessible" for an entire playerbase of over 1 million people is an opinion, not a fact. That is the only thing "indisputable" here. Well, I guess the other things in the same sentence you claimed as "indisputable facts" also similarly being nothing but personal opinions would apply as well. Learn the meaning of a fact vs. an opinion, and you'll get taken more seriously. Or, continue to spout nonsense, and then wonder why the dev team continues ignoring you. *Shrugs* Either way, I'll be happy playing my healer while you continue tilting at windmills.
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