#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Myrany]

I believe that there are players in any role that don't live up to certain expectation, healers are no exception. Nor does vague reference of "fairly common" perceptions means much, with all due respect. This has likely existed from some players for years, I could also point to the same for other roles, so what would you suggest that healers do? Just stay quiet because some players aren't perfect? Sounds rather hypocritical honestly when that bar is not set for other roles.

I wasn't asking healers to do anything. Simply reporting the grumbling I am hearing in the game itself so you maybe have an idea where some of the pushback is coming from. If you are not interested that is fine. Ignore my post.

Yes all roles have their issues with failing to perform. This is a thread about healers. I am trying to help not fight with you guys.

[IDontPetLalas]

I wasn't asking healers to do anything. Simply reporting the grumbling I am hearing in the game itself so you maybe have an idea where some of the pushback is coming from. If you are not interested that is fine. Ignore my post.

Yes all roles have their issues with failing to perform. This is a thread about healers. I am trying to help not fight with you guys.

I'll try again. It isn't anything that hasn't been reported, given what we just said (all roles have issues with failing to perform) in the past 10 years, I'm not surprised that someone will say " I had a glaremage, healer didn't even have esuna on their hotbar, was watching Netflix" and more, amongst the size of the player population that we have. I'm not fighting with you, my point is literally- if you're posting this - imagine that you were invested in the healerstrike, what would you do with the information that you provided? how do you think it's going to help healers?

[PercibelTheren]

I agree actually but this sort of thing really could be part of the reason there is so much pushback to the strike. There is a fairly common perception I am seeing being muttered about in game. Some DPS players that have little sympathy with the healers situation since they don't perceive many healers as doing their role as it is.

Before I get attacked I have repeatedly in this thread supported you guys and the strike. I still do. I am just reporting what I am hearing in game and trying to do it in a civil manner.

Yeah, bad healers exist. That's the one thing that's annoying me about switching to DPS. I am LOVING Dancer. However, the healers I get in my roulettes are a mixed bag. I have had some absolutely amazing ones, most of them were perfectly passable and some who were asleep at the wheel. It's giving me the "I guess if I want something done well, I need to do it myself" feeling. But I refuse to go back to healing, at least for a long while, because it burned me out for months at a time.

[ZephyrMenodora]

some who were asleep at the wheel

I've had healers apologize for letting people die because they completely admitted to being asleep at the wheel, just in a Glare-trance and not paying attention whatsoever. They literally will say "Sorry didn't notice" as they spam their dps skill. At this point healers don't even feel like they need to look at HP bars at times.

Design that allows healers to mostly get away with this in many circumstances needs to be looked at.

It's not even always malicious, sometimes it's just an honest mistake - one caused by the game's design IMO.

[MisterNublet]

I've had healers apologize for letting people die because they completely admitted to being asleep at the wheel, just in a Glare-trance and not paying attention whatsoever. They literally will say "Sorry didn't notice" as they spam their dps skill. At this point healers don't even feel like they need to look at HP bars at times.

Design that allows healers to mostly get away with this in many circumstances needs to be looked at.

It's not even always malicious, sometimes it's just an honest mistake - one caused by the game's design IMO.

Also literally falling asleep behind the keyboard. The amount of times I've nodded off while doing msq dungeons and expert, you'd think I'd have narcolepsy. Nope, just healer gameplay.

[PercibelTheren]

I've had healers apologize for letting people die because they completely admitted to being asleep at the wheel, just in a Glare-trance and not paying attention whatsoever. They literally will say "Sorry didn't notice" as they spam their dps skill. At this point healers don't even feel like they need to look at HP bars at times.

Design that allows healers to mostly get away with this in many circumstances needs to be looked at.

It's not even always malicious, sometimes it's just an honest mistake - one caused by the game's design IMO.

I'm guilty of nearly letting tanks drop dead, too. Usually Warriors. I'm so used to them requiring zero input from me that I'm there spamming my AoE and the tank is nearly dead before I realize they didn't use Bloodwhetting.

[Kes13a]

I agree actually but this sort of thing really could be part of the reason there is so much pushback to the strike. There is a fairly common perception I am seeing being muttered about in game. Some DPS players that have little sympathy with the healers situation since they don't perceive many healers as doing their role as it is.

Before I get attacked I have repeatedly in this thread supported you guys and the strike. I still do. I am just reporting what I am hearing in game and trying to do it in a civil manner.

as I said previously, I think that perception because many now use the healer role for insta pop queues since it is dumbed down so much. there is no need or place for healers to be responsible and now mostly used for queue times and getting out of there as soon as possible with as little effort as possible. its a really sad state and a direct result of job direction and encounter design.

[Absurdity]

This is a player problem not a design problem though. You could give jobs the most fun, engaging rotations and buttons but if some players refuse to engage with their tools you can't really force them to.

If your healer refuses to perform their role, you report and move on. Healers being designed with 1 nuke button and 20 healing skills doesn't make them "heal more".

Considering the amount of "Medica 2 and then stand around doing nothing"-healers I still regularly see who completely fold when that tactic doesn't work...no, no it does not make them heal more.
It especially doesn't help when the other roles do your job for you, because then they really never need to learn in the first place.

Of course the same applies to DPS and tanks as well. Redmages who hardcast Veraero/Verthunder III/Impact, Freestyle Samurai who have never even heard of AoE, Warriors who somehow still manage to die in dungeons because they never even press Bloodwhetting (or any other mitigation for that matter), Dark Knights who think TBN is the only mitigation the job has, Dancers that never use Closed Position, DoT-less Bards (less relevant nowadays), ice mages. They have existed forever and still do.

But having job gameplay designed around those players is certainly a decision of all time.

[ZephyrMenodora]

This is a player problem not a design problem though. You could give jobs the most fun, engaging rotations and buttons but if some players refuse to engage with their tools you can't really force them to.

If your healer refuses to perform their role, you report and move on. Healers being designed with 1 nuke button and 20 healing skills doesn't make them "heal more".

I think it's partially a design problem and partially a player problem.

Healers have been trained for years now that people don't really need to be healed and they can just mindlessly spam their DPS skill and not pay attention. If they had to be kept on their toes for everything but the very occasional unavoidable damage (that is also often telegraphed, even to the extent that sometimes you can't do anything at all but wait for a mini-cutscene for the damage to come through), they'd have a mindset to heal more regularly and keep a DPS's health higher.

The player part of the problem is an elitist mentality that a DPS should never get hit by something avoidable, which is just toxic elitism on the part of the healer.

[GrimGale]

The player part of the problem is an elitist mentality that a DPS should never get hit by something avoidable, which is just toxic elitism on the part of the healer.

How is this elitist? Of course you should expect players not to "stand in the fire". In the same way you should expect healers to heal, tanks to grab aggro and DPS to deal enough DPS to kill things reasonably quick (Even though in dungeons there are really no limits.)

If you're talking about healers refusing to heal people that got hit with a vuln stack, it's basically the same player issue: Someone refusing to play the game.

Which should not be the thing you design classes around. Should we remove all player agency and automate everything so that people cannot avoid playing their role? I'm not defending people that do not play their role, I'm saying Jobs will inevitably lose engagement if you design them without risk-reward.