#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Supersnow845]

But why would they? Literally every other job just got a pointless "finisher" nuke stapled to it in Dawntrail with 100% flash and 0% substance. Not even the golden child that is melee DPS got anything with more thought behind it, obviously AST wouldn't be the exception.

Rainbow drip as a finisher is so good PCT doesn’t feel half as good without it so I guess PCT is an exception but PCT is basically an exception to the game entire crappy job system at this point

[Vandi]

1053 pages…sweet Jezuz….

I’m starting to think you healers are actually serious about this…

[Molex]

Man reading this thread, as a healer main, I'm happy SE completely ignore your feedback. You guys would kill the entire role in a single patch.

[Connor]

Man reading this thread, as a healer main, I'm happy SE completely ignore your feedback. You guys would kill the entire role in a single patch.

I just learned how to do this recently lol

guys it’s beating me!

Ok nothing to see here just a guy posting a meme with absolutely no difficulty whatsoever…

[Supersnow845]

Man reading this thread, as a healer main, I'm happy SE completely ignore your feedback. You guys would kill the entire role in a single patch.

What’s that old quote about not being able to kill something that’s already dead

(Why am I even replying this person won’t explain their thoughts anyway)

[Azurarok]

tbf I have wondered if nuking the trinity might be better for this game's health at this point

[CaptainLagbeard]

SCH has Chain Stratagem and Energy Drain, it's probably the best designed healer currently in the game as it has both a buff and will always be able to use their Job Gauge.

[Connor]

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I think its because it’s assuming an optimised party, at which point any additional ‘adaptability’ from Sage becomes null and void (since you should know what’s coming before hand anyway in an optimised raiding party, healing timelines and whatnot). And given the way encounters are designed I’d imagine most people would say it’s not a particularly high bar to reach ‘optimisation’ anyway.

I mean, as the poster above mentioned Chain Stratagem (and Deployment Tactics) alone pushes Scholar pretty far ahead of Sages. Assuming every party member is playing optimally Stratagem can equal a sizeable (rDPS? Cdps? ABCDPS? lol) dps contribution, and Deployment is both mechanic-breaking-ly powerful, on a fairly short cool-down, and has no real parallel on Sage besides like Zoe+Physis II+Eukrasian Prognosis or something. Aka temu Deployment lol.

Naturally everyone’s going to find their own preferences that have them lean towards a certain job. For many people Sage probably is a ‘better healer’ than Scholar, simply due to being the one they prefer for whatever reason. But when you take that preference out of the equation and assume an equal skill level for every party member, suddenly Sage starts to struggle to keep up with Scholar’s capabilities. I’d argue Expedient is also a pretty huge advantage for Scholars too (I mean, they did have to nerf it lol!).

And of course I get that it seems contradictory to say ‘Scholar is the better healer because it ultimately outputs a higher party dps value’ lol, but unfortunately with healing mechanics being how they are, (oops all Harrowing Hell!’ lol)it would take a lot for the ‘best healer’ to ever be ‘the healer that heals the best’ sadly.

Addendum: the writings here are solely based on my own opinion and understanding and not being sold as objective fact. I.E idk I’m probably wrong lol

[YarnMage48]

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No you make some very valid points. In fact "optimized vs non-optimized parties" is a whole lot of what's causing a lot of the disagreement in this discussion. In an optimized party, you will be using your DPS skills more often than not. In an non-optimized party... things can get very challenging very quickly and DPS might not be happening. But a lot of the arguments being made are assuming a fully optimized party, and only a small fraction of the player base is at that level.

As far as unique Scholar skills, Sage has some cool ones too. Its almost like they were designed to have unique abilities or something. I think Chain Strat helps to balance the lower DPS output on SCH. Its kinda like a "selfish vs non-selfish DPS" situation. But Chain Strat is very very cool. When it comes to Harrowing Hell, that's exactly the kind of mechanic Panhaima is build for. And Holos is amazing there too, having both a heal and a mit in one skill. In short. Both have some cool unique skills.

In terms of cold hard numbers though... well, I'm not going to downright reference any particular websites, but I will say that there is data to support the idea that Sage can outperform Scholar in both healing and DPS. Of course, it all comes down to individual player skill. I've long held that being good at pushing your buttons is far more important choosing classes based off of higher DPS potential.

At the end of the day, I am pretty sure its supposed to come down to player preference. We are supposed to pick the jobs we enjoy playing, and that goes for DPS and Tanks too. Classes and encounters are designed around the idea that any standard party comp can clear them. We're supposed to pick classes we enjoy, not follow some mega-optimized meta. Is Scholar the "better" class for you? Play Scholar! Do you like Sage more? Play Sage! Have fun! That is what a video game is supposed to be about. Not making fun of certain classes because you think yours is superior.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

It's not like people don't want to appreciate and enjoy the 'differences'. The issue is, SE doesn't want those.

You can say Kardia and Embrace are different on paper and maybe down to 0.0001 potency but at the end of the day they are both passively generated heals that you mostly don't (need to) think about. In fact, if you're having trouble, then you most likely have much bigger problem on hand that deserves more attention than laser focusing these two.

Another fairy benefit (that they keep trying to diminish by giving everybody and their mom 30y radius) is totem healing: the ability to heal your target without having to place yourself closer. Try to reach that one BRD standing in Narnia with your Panhaima, and you'll tilt your head when you see they're the only one that's missing your mitigation while that SCH can sit still while their Seraph churning out Consolation cozily at the middle of battlefield, and actually have better agency to capitalize all HPS value that comes from their two charges.

Instant shield? Sure, that's what SCH doesn't have on the fly. But when do we actually benefit that? You have millions other heals before you even think about pressing E.Diag/Prognosis, so you will also be spamming Dosis III/Broil IV regardless. Now unless your party is a clown fiesta, that could be a different story... but wait. Recently they just gave SCH Seraphism, which essentially deletes every single weakness the job had up to this point. The only time I believe SGE outclasses SCH was at lv80 as the existence of Holos sort of tipped that balance just slightly, only for it to return to the other way when SCH receives Expedient at lv90.

tl;dr SGE trades higher potential for simplicity, ease of use, and foolproofness. SCH could rival SGE's ridiculous HPS potential, if they're not being kept on check by Energy Drains... except they can absolutely play SCH like they're playing a SGE: ignore energy drains.