#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Rehayem]

I think the worst part is how these raiders continuously keep stalking Gemina's logs (and others) and immediately dismiss any claims without providing good argument -- especially non-main healer raiders who started in ShB.

This is why Yoshi-P will always be against fflogs and dps meters.

[Jilenos]

I join the movement, apart from an Excogitation from time to time, no longer really need me in the dungeon, and spamming my only dp spell quickly becomes boring...

[aderichi]

I also find it surprising that people don't take more issues with the actual heals too. Those are pretty boring in their own right, mostly amounting to "Hit oGCD before/after damage occurs" with maybe a succor or a medica 2 if it's really spicy damage. My only other healing experience is WoW and oh buddy are those healing kits far more involved (and used far more cause there's more damage). Compare that to a Preservation Evoker:



Night and day. And mind that in high end WoW content, you HAVE to make full use of your abilities to meet healing requirements.

WoW healing is amazing and I miss it. Too bad WoW is worse in almost every other aspect. I also don't think the FFXIV server tick is fast enough for healing to ever feel as satisfying and responsive.

Hell this game doesn't even support mouse over healing properly. You either have to use clunky macros, or download sketchy plugins.

[Rsmeers]

"/party Hello! and thanks for joining. This macro was built in case you never used the 4-T strat.
/party Dodge Rathalos attacks as much as possible. Use CDs and skills to heal yourself and avoid using potions until phase 2.
/party Don't pull ads other than the Coeurl; let Rathalos kill them and when marked approach them to hit them.
/party We gotta decide who's going to tank Garula and who's going to mount;
/party For phase 2, stack alone in the edges (so fire puddles won't bother us) and use potions as needed.
/party If a person who ran out of potions gets marked for stack, feel free to use lb.
/party Also, before the fight begins, I'll use a buffed Shake It Off to protect us from roar."

This is a Macro for Rathalos Extreme I created back when it debuted on v4.36, released on August 2018. Literally six years ago. People using the 4 tank strategy were the fastest ones to get all the rewards. This will probably come out as rude, but this shows just how little about the game people complaining about a healer not being needed for an optimal MSQ dungeon setup know for a fact. But anyway, with how badly people usually play on pubs, you need not to worry. Healers are not an ounce more useful or useless than they've always been.

[LyraShu]

I feel like what is most worrying are the people (especially progression groups) saying they are (or will, with the new Dawntrail updates) blacklist people showing support for this thread. I feel that could be at least a little concerning for anyone who doesn't have a solid group of friends to play with yet.

My first response is "let them" because I feel like that is probably best for both parties if they feel that strongly about it.

I know my biggest reason for joining the strike myself has stemmed from a few interactions I've had as a healer plus the day to day gameplay. When I was starting my Savage journey (mind you, I haven't' completed one yet because of reasons, half of them being that I was still a little to new to get into that content imo) the group pretty much asked me to be a healer since that was the "least needed role" and I would have more opportunities to mess up. There was casts that I did (Pneuma) that I was kinda made fun of for casting because it wasn't the dot + 1 + 1 + 1 (ect) and ogcd heals. I like to be as fair as I can in posts, so in fairness this is when I was still more of a sprout and learning, but it still kinda plays in my head.

There was other content I was doing that (treasure maps) that friends nearly begged me to not be healer on because they were able to heal themselves good enough and wanted the extra dps. Granted for this one, I can see that more but there have been comments of "healers are needed in ALL content" and I laugh at that a bit.

So ya, if people want to blacklist me because I was wanting things to be a bit different and not playing a job that I find boring, then sure I wish them well in their endeavors

[Rolder50]

"/party Hello! and thanks for joining. This macro was built in case you never used the 4-T strat.
/party Dodge Rathalos attacks as much as possible. Use CDs and skills to heal yourself and avoid using potions until phase 2.
/party Don't pull ads other than the Coeurl; let Rathalos kill them and when marked approach them to hit them.
/party We gotta decide who's going to tank Garula and who's going to mount;
/party For phase 2, stack alone in the edges (so fire puddles won't bother us) and use potions as needed.
/party If a person who ran out of potions gets marked for stack, feel free to use lb.
/party Also, before the fight begins, I'll use a buffed Shake It Off to protect us from roar."

This is a Macro for Rathalos Extreme I created back when it debuted on v4.36, released on August 2018. Literally six years ago. People using the 4 tank strategy were the fastest ones to get all the rewards. This will probably come out as rude, but this shows just how little about the game people complaining about a healer not being needed for an optimal MSQ dungeon setup know for a fact. But anyway, with how badly people usually play on pubs, you need not to worry. Healers are not an ounce more useful or useless than they've always been.

To be fair, Rathalos is a bad example because it has a whole phase where you literally cannot heal other people and have to use the potions. And that was to make it more accurate to Monster Hunter to keep it on theme.

[aiqa]

I can't blame them honestly.
If people wants to prog a raid they might not want someone who might not (enjoy) take their role seriously if they aren't satisfied with what they currently got to play with.
They might see a Healer who support the strike (showing they aren't happy with healers) as a reliability in the group dynamic.

If you compare the average tone of the person who joined the discussion in this thread, and that agreed with the strike. To the tone of the average person who was mostly ambiguous. To the tone of the average person that was strongly against it. I wouldn't worry about the people who agree with the strike, or the group that is ambiguous, as the source of problems for a group dynamic.

And looking at how some of the people who disagree have acted in this thread: Multiple people spend page after page arguing that people who joined the strike should just unsubrcibe. Others tried to impose all sorts of arbitrary rules on the strike, to try convince people to stop. Others completely dismissed the healer role as weak, and argued people switch to tank if they wanted to play a proper role. There was the usual gatekeeping by setting requirements who's opinions are and aren't worth listening to.

And most likely some other stuff I forgot. The point is, people have tried a lot of weird stuff to try get people to stop the strike. I think the blacklisting is far more likely an extension of that behavior

[Rsmeers]

To be fair, Rathalos is a bad example because it has a whole phase where you literally cannot heal other people and have to use the potions. And that was to make it more accurate to Monster Hunter to keep it on theme.

If Rathalos Extreme is a bad example, then so is an under level cap MSQ dungeon. My point is if the people who are complaining about this right now knew more about the game and were long time players, they'd know it's not something new and has never really been disruptive to the gameplay loop as they're claiming it will be all of a sudden.

[ThaCa]

This thread kinda proves how great and welcoming community the game has.

[Rolder50]

If Rathalos Extreme is a bad example, then so is an under level cap MSQ dungeon. My point is if the people who are complaining about this right now knew more about the game and were long time players, they'd know it's not something new and has never really been disruptive to the gameplay loop as they're claiming it will be all of a sudden.

And saying that people are only starting to complain now is disingenuous, because healers have been complaining about this since the launch of Shadowbringers. It's only now that we're getting some kind of actual traction on the issue.

Examples: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-healer-issues -Started 05-09-2020

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-play-Ultimate 02-19-2022

Etc. This is NOT something that just came up all of a sudden.