#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[WaxSw]

At this point, the situation is like:

Striking people on this thread, Zepla to some extent

vs.

Almost all the other FFXIV streamers, hardcore players, most of the Japanese community, most players in-game (who are totally unaware of this or anything else that happens on the forums), WeskAlber and Xenosys and other content creators who think this is all stupid, the FFXIV subreddit, the FFXIV discord communities (besides the discord created for this thread) . . .


I feel like this thread would have a greater impact (besides being a source of entertainment for people not on the forums) if the thread's creators and supporters reached out beyond the forums and talked about their concerns with other FFXIV media and in other FFXIV communities. Or if they would produce content of their own on YouTube, etc. Right now this thread is attracting attention, but in a negative sense. I mean, people were even talking about blacklisting everyone they saw taking part in this thread / the strike.

The real situation (because what you've said is misinterpreting what people say or outright lying) is that healers have been complaining for years and have been ignored and now are trying to be heard. Simple as that this is not a us vs them or anything and the fact that this thread grow so fast (and all the proofs showing healer "gameplay" if it can be called that) shows that there is a problem that needs to be solved

[WaxSw]

Excuse me, but I'm not "lying." I'm just stating what I've seen and experienced. I've been with this thread and on this topic for ages, too. There's no need to be rude to me.

You say Xeno is against that, he outright talked about how the dps rotation should be changed
You say the hardcore community is against that, as someone that could be considered kinda hardcore I'm yet to find a healer main that does not support having our rotation changed
You say most people ingame are against that but when we get any community poll healers are the ones with the least satisfaction (and the majority would be indifferent)
You say the XIV discords, idk which because I've seen support on many as is well know that healer gameplay is shit
You say the XIV reddit, I've yet to find other than ffxiv which is known to be very adverse to even the slightest XIV criticism (and in some more serious like XIV discussion there is quite the dicussion and support behind it)

Almost all the streamers that were tone deaf were non healer mains which, to the surprise of nobody, don't talk shit because their income depends on being on SE and the toxic positive XIV community good side.

Once again this is a not us vs them, this is a collective of healers who are tired of our gameplay being the same of cookie clicker, especially when in the past we used to have much better gameplay and were able to do our duties as fine, if not better

[ZephyrMenodora]

You say Xeno is against that, he outright talked about the dps rotation should be changed
You say the hardcore community is against that, as someone that could be considered kinda hardcore I'm yet to find a healer main that does not support having our rotation changing
You say most people ingame are against that but when we get any community poll healers are the ones with the least satisfaction (and the majority would be indifferent)
You say the XIV discords, idk which because I've seen support on many as is well know that healer gameplay is shit
You say the XIV reddit, I've yet to find other than ffxiv which is known to be very adverse to even the slightest XIV criticism (and in some more serious like XIV discussion there is quite the dicussion and support behind it)

Almost all the streamers that were tone deaf were non healer mains which, to the surprise of nobody, don't talk shit because their income depends on being on SE and the toxic positive XIV community good side.

Once again this is a not us vs them, this is a collective of healers who are tired of our gameplay being the same of cookie clicker, especially when in the past we used to have much better gameplay and were able to do our duties as fine, if not better

My experience was mostly on twitter, where I saw quite a few posts adverse to the strike. Some of them were rather rude about it, too.

I think the main issue with the strike itself is, from what I saw on Twitter was:

1. There are a lot of super-casual players who mostly enjoy socializing/modding their characters/glamor, who honestly don't want any increased difficulty or pressure on healers or the gameplay in general;
2. There are some newer players who actually find the game challenging because it's all new to them;
3. Most people aren't healer mains and don't want to be inconvenienced by the strike;
4. Some healer mains don't like playing the other jobs, like healing enough even if it's a bit dull, so will keep healing because that's why they play;
5. In-game awareness from people who don't visit XIV social media have no knowledge of the strike, or care enough about the game to do so.

So I think those are core issues with the strike. But, as an awareness-raising tool it's been an A+ effort. I'd have a hard time believing that the Dev's are unaware of this thread at this point.

[Rolder50]

I also find it surprising that people don't take more issues with the actual heals too. Those are pretty boring in their own right, mostly amounting to "Hit oGCD before/after damage occurs" with maybe a succor or a medica 2 if it's really spicy damage. My only other healing experience is WoW and oh buddy are those healing kits far more involved (and used far more cause there's more damage). Compare that to a Preservation Evoker:



Night and day. And mind that in high end WoW content, you HAVE to make full use of your abilities to meet healing requirements.

[Reinha]

It's so surreal because the "call to action" of this strike is literally just "don't play healer if you don't like it", which is quite literally what people who think this thread is stupid have suggested us to do. So then if people do exactly that other people advocate they should get blacklisted.
Can't make this up.

[WaxSw]

My experience was mostly on twitter, where I saw quite a few posts adverse to the strike. Some of them were rather rude about it, too.

I think the main issue with the strike itself is, from what I saw on Twitter was:

1. There are a lot of super-casual players who mostly enjoy socializing/modding their characters/glamor, who honestly don't want any increased difficulty or pressure on healers or the gameplay in general;
2. There are some newer players who actually find the game challenging because it's all new to them;
3. Most people aren't healer mains and don't want to be inconvenienced by the strike;
4. Some healer mains don't like playing the other jobs, like healing enough even if it's a bit dull, so will keep healing because that's why they play;
5. In-game awareness from people who don't visit XIV social media have no knowledge of the strike, or care enough about the game to do so.

So I think those are core issues with the strike. But, as an awareness-raising tool it's been an A+ effort. I'd have a hard time believing that the Dev's are unaware of this thread at this point.

I personally can undertand those points (less so 1 because if there is not an increase in difficulty and just a diversification of actions the curebots aren't affected) but honestly I find extremely weird, if not selfish and toxic that people come trying to spread false information or try to mock the movement when all we want is simply to have fun.

But despite that is like you said, this movement is getting more talk about healers done in 10 days than 5 years of feedback which is great because at the core of this, all we want is the problems of the role to be acknowledged

[aiqa]

Yes, it's definitely vitriolic in many places outside of this thread. I feel like that could change if efforts at outreach and communication were made, but who knows.

The official FF forums is exactly the place for outreach and communication. Outreach to other places would be nice (though I can completely understand why people don't feel like placing themselves in another position where they'll be attacked over the strike, that happens enough in this thread already, and healers don't have endless energy and patience to deal with that), but I strongly disagree with the suggestion that healers that joined this thread are in any way responsible for toxic responses somewhere else.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I personally can undertand those points (less so 1 because if there is not an increase in difficulty and just a diversification of actions the curebots aren't affected) but honestly I find extremely weird, if not selfish and toxic that people come trying to spread false information or try to mock the movement when all we want is simply to have fun.

But despite that is like you said, this movement is getting more talk about healers done in 10 days than 5 years of feedback which is great because at the core of this, all we want is the problems of the role to be acknowledged

I think about diversification of actions, the curebots you mentioned also are less likely to understand the strike, because they are already using their gcd heals a lot lol.

Gameplay wise even if they are just overhealing, they feel like healers.

[Niroken]

So I think those are core issues with the strike. But, as an awareness-raising tool it's been an A+ effort. I'd have a hard time believing that the Dev's are unaware of this thread at this point.

Multiple streamers, online articles, multiplatform discussions and at least JP/NA/EU involvement. It would be pretty hard to not hear about it.

Naysayers can say it won't do anything, maybe it won't, but I'd say it's one of the largest attempt at a change request yet. In in end at least we can say we tried everything we could to get our point across, even through some ridiculous backlash. After that, it's in the devs hands. Personally, i'll be satisfied either way.

[imajinary]

As a healer main, I don't think there's anything wrong enough with the role to start a strike.

I don't want more dps actions, we already have too many buttons. You wanna spice things up? Ask for a 123 combo compressed in one button then similar to DPS, but without so much dps (otherwise, you know, we'd be overstepping in THEIR territory too).
We ARE relevant and necessary in ALL content, not just endgame - or do all the random dps (and tanks too) you play with play so perfectly they don't make enough mistakes to not need a healer? Do you not think of the new players too? Mistakes that even experienced players make?

The healer job is supposed to HEAL, and it does a superb job at that.

Besides the complaints about class identity, perhaps, and WARs seeming to have a bit too much self-heal, I personally think this whole discussion is missing the point. It seems way blown out of proportion.

I just wanted to throw out there that I am a healer main and this strike does not speak for me.