#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[TheDustyOne]

Part of me wants them to go completely nuts with the jobs in the new exploration zone and redesign them with unique kits. I feel like you could make phantom jobs more impactful in the process if the jobs themselves had more unique kits and utility rather than feeling like reskins of the same role. I know it ain't happening, but that would be one way to go about experimenting with job design ideas rather than hoping they don't screw us over every patch or expansion.

[Maltothoris]

Well in an effort to make sure this stays front page, you have to wonder if they are going to introduce more healers at now when consider the following,

So presumably speaking, if this follows the same trend and trends are something this team follows to a z, the next expansion will have a tank and a dps (most likely phys ranged to make it 4.) Then the next expansion would be healer and dps. However, it will be a pure healer or a shield healer? Either scenario would lead to at least 7 years of waiting for the other to get added assuming they follow the same pattern again and with the longer patches, one side of the healers won't be getting anything.

[Kes13a]

for the love of all the gods... and the vaunted 12.. no more jobs of any kind.

if they cannot fix the mess the have for themselves now.. why add more garbage to the pile.

FIX teh jobs they have.. then they can add more.

[Supersnow845]

They are in a lost lose situation regardless because unless they do a ground up rework of content/healers or both then regen healers continue to be useless and a new regen healer will just compete with AST’s limited audience for the spot of “non WHM regen healer” since WHM’s population never changes but they’ve also shown they have no idea how to make a shield healer since SGE is just SCH’s belated 5.0 rework they dumpstered when 2 chan lost its shit at them deleting energy drain in 5.0

[OliviaLugria]

Well in an effort to make sure this stays front page, you have to wonder if they are going to introduce more healers at now when consider the following,

So presumably speaking, if this follows the same trend and trends are something this team follows to a z, the next expansion will have a tank and a dps (most likely phys ranged to make it 4.) Then the next expansion would be healer and dps. However, it will be a pure healer or a shield healer? Either scenario would lead to at least 7 years of waiting for the other to get added assuming they follow the same pattern again and with the longer patches, one side of the healers won't be getting anything.

What’s the point of adding new ones when they’re already all the same >.>

[Azurarok]

it'd force them to rethink the regen/shield healer split at least

[ForsakenRoe]

it'd force them to rethink the regen/shield healer split at least

The split has been a bizarre design decision from the start. I have no idea why they did it. The only possible explanation I can come up with, is 'they did it so that the WHM players could say 'I will focus on just healing''. It closes so many design options off from the Pure Healers, like Stoneskin is gone, Noct Sect is gone, etc. And in a game so focused on mitigation and 'have enough damage reduction to avoid getting oneshot by this', this basically results in Pure Healers feeling somewhat less useful compared to the Barrier Healers. If SCH/SGE shields stacked (Galvanize/E.Prog), I'd expect that every hardcore Ultimate/week 1 Savage group (ie with players who use 'the strongest option' rather than 'their favourite') would run SCH/SGE. because Mitigation is just so much more impactful in raids (unless 7.2 changes something)

It's a fine balance to walk between 'the classes feel homogenized' and 'the combat feels homogenized' but I'd argue that allowing all healers some form of GCD AOE Barrier (eg bring back Stoneskin, and readd Noct Aspected Helios in some form to AST), while a small 'homogenization' in the short term, allows for a lot of diversity in combat design. Say a raidwide applies a bleed, but if you apply a barrier, the bleed is negated (the raidwide still does damage though). Do you A: Regen through the bleed, B: Apply a Barrier, negate the bleed, and heal up the raidwide damage? The choice wouldn't just be 'which healer am I playing', but also 'do I have the resources to tackle this in the way I hope to?' For example, a SGE has Panhaima and Holos as OGCD options to apply a Barrier. But if those aren't up, do you still go for the barrier option via E.Prognosis, even though it costs a GCD? Or do you use Physis and Pneuma to heal through the bleed instead?

Instead of a hard split, I don't know why SE didn't go with a sliding scale. For example, they want WHM to be bad at Barrier/Mitigation. Sure, that's fine, just make it be the healer that's the furthest along the scale towards the Pure side. But that doesn't mean it should have zero options for AOE shielding (no, Divine Caress doesn't count), because then you can't make certain design elements (eg, the example above with the raidwide bleed).

If you have a sliding scale like:

Pure ------------------------- Barrier
WHM > > AST > > SGE > > SCH

Then it's super easy to add a new healer into the mix. You just adjust its design to balance the amount of Pure Healing (ie burst healing actions like Star, Cure3, Pneuma, etc) versus how much access to Barriers and Mitigation it has (eg Expedient, Soil, Panhaima, Holos, etc). So, my suggestion would be, have a healer that has two 'stances', ala AST sects - a heavy focus on HOTs in one stance, and a heavy focus on (rather than a standard Barrier like Succor) applying a buff to allies that staggers part of the damage taken out into a DOT. The HOT would counteract the DOT, stabilising the HP level of the party. And thus, said healer would slot into the scale at the very middle, between AST and SGE. If said healer were partied with an AST or WHM, it'd be able to focus more on the mitigative side of its kit, and if it were with SGE/SCH, it'd focus more on the HOT side of the kit.

But let's say SE decides that actually, AST should be the midpoint, because they're bringing back Sects. Then, the new healer could have more of its kit designed to be Pure in nature and less Barrier related, and then it'd slot in between WHM and AST.

Divine Caress, SunSign and Seraphism make it feel like they're silently acknowledging that the split doesn't really work very well, at least

[Moqi]

The split has been a bizarre design decision from the start. I have no idea why they did it.

I like the idea of the split but they basically took away all the shields from pure healers and kept giving pure heals to shield healers for basically free.

[Aravell]

The split has been a bizarre design decision from the start. I have no idea why they did it.

The pure/barrier split was very likely created as a distinction to justify their current design of the 4 healers, because the raid finder does pick 1 pure and 1 barrier healer from queue for savage fights, if they didn't do the split, some comps would be near unclearable. Imagine doing M3S in the early weeks and raid finder gave you GNB/DRK/WHM/AST.

That said, the pure/barrier split issues wouldn't even exist if they didn't keep trying to force the healers into the tiny little box with no design freedom allowed.

[Kes13a]

The pure/barrier split was very likely created as a distinction to justify their current design of the 4 healers, because the raid finder does pick 1 pure and 1 barrier healer from queue for savage fights, if they didn't do the split, some comps would be near unclearable. Imagine doing M3S in the early weeks and raid finder gave you GNB/DRK/WHM/AST.

That said, the pure/barrier split issues wouldn't even exist if they didn't keep trying to force the healers into the tiny little box with no design freedom allowed.

well, its the only box they could find that had no air holes