#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Amity_Roji]

maybe its time SE looked at removing the Holy trinity and just making different flavours of DPS all with the exact same rotations and same amount of abilities, the only difference being how the armour looks as stats should be the same across the board and abilities have different colours and sparkles... this should fix the problem of the job jealousy.

I don't think "just delete healers" is the solution we're after.

[Assur]

Honestly with the improved Living Dead you shouldn't have that much problem surviving in EW dungeons.

Besides, as a SCH if I see you go to like 50-60% and I don't see X-Cogitation on you, I'm just gonna Lustrate you, and go back to spamming. Healing really is that easy nowadays.

If the healer does their job correctly, I don't die. Simple as that. I rarely have the need to resort to Living Dead, aside from it being too situational and reactive. And I need to put my trust into the healer.

Anyway, surviving per se isn't an issue. The question of how much effort on the part of the healer is required and whether it satisfies your needs?

That I can't say. Because I don't really know how you run the content. I don't know the pace. I don't know your healers.

After all, it might be indeed too easy and sleep inducing for you. Meanwhile, my friend I clear content with and who is a healer main complains at times about being strained.

So is this a general problem among healers? Or a problem that affects only healers above average?

Because keep in mind, if you are above average, that means that are at least 50% of players that are below you.

[Kathryn]

I don't think "just delete healers" is the solution we're after.

oh no no, sorry I forgot to add, maybe just add 1 dot and 1 attack plus 1 aoe for all classes, 1 heal on a relatively short cd, a self mitigation and a damage buff, even controller players will be able to play with ease, some of you in this thread have said SE are incapable of balancing a trinity and everyone has a gripe about their jobs be it Healer DPS or Tank, just role all the archetypes into 1 and call it a day, even balancing would be simple.

[Connor]

It’s honestly extremely disheartening to me that healers saying ‘we are dissatisfied with the fundamentals of our role not being met’ and they get literally 400 pages of people saying shit like ‘just do ultimates’ ‘just delete every single role’ ‘why do you want EVERYTHING to be savage difficulty because you want to use an actual heal GCD every now and then?’

Why even bother having the forums if feedback is going to be so easily and quickly dismissed

[Kathryn]

It’s honestly extremely disheartening to me that healers saying ‘we are dissatisfied with the fundamentals of our role not being met’ and they get literally 400 pages of people saying shit like ‘just do ultimates’ ‘just delete every single role’ ‘why do you want EVERYTHING to be savage difficulty because you want to use an actual heal GCD every now and then?’

Why even bother having the forums if feedback is going to be so easily and quickly dismissed

Because they literally swarmed and attacked people who came in with different views or enjoy how the current healing role plays by calling them braindead among other things, these healers are not innocent in that and they literally cannot settle on what they want, the thread is full of bickering.

Just putting it out there but respect is a two way street.

[Amity_Roji]

I am not sure how wall pulling is devaluating the healer’s role. Unless you are WAR, doest it put more strain and responsibility on the healer? Without a healer, I as a DRK would certainly not survive my pulls in a satisfying manner, so I see them as quintessential to my approach, unable to do without them. But that is, admittedly, a tank’s perspective. And it might not be that challenging enough for your healers.

I think you're approaching this from the wrong perspective. Wall-pulling is not devaluing healers, it is a symptom of the fact that healers are devalued. The mere fact that it's not just possible but expected shows that the encounter design is not putting focus on healing as an activity.

Or to think of it another way - when was the last time you had to carefully consider your pulls because of concerns that the healer(s) would not have enough healing output to keep the party alive? Or, how often is available healing the limiting factor of an encounter (e.g., "heal checks")?

Yes, wall pulling means we'll have to heal a bit (and maybe more if it's an at-level/not mega-sync'd dungeon) - but even then we're DPSing more than we're healing, by a long way. If party DPS is high enough most WHMs won't have to heal at all since Holy has a stun attached.

And really the same encounter design issues are affecting tanks too. When was the last time you had to focus on threat generation so the DPS or healer(s) didn't pull aggro? When have you had to focus on damage mitigation (either for yourself or the party) more than your DPS rotation? Threat generation is a joke - you just turn on tank stance and slap an AoE DPS ability and you've got everything welded to you. Damage mitigation in most cases consists of just hitting a single cooldown. Your role is homogenized as well - only the tank jobs actually get decent DPS rotations to have something to do. We just keep up a DOT and spam one ability.

[Amity_Roji]

oh no no, sorry I forgot to add, maybe just add 1 dot and 1 attack plus 1 aoe for all classes, 1 heal on a relatively short cd, a self mitigation and a damage buff, even controller players will be able to play with ease, some of you in this thread have said SE are incapable of balancing a trinity and everyone has a gripe about their jobs be it Healer DPS or Tank, just role all the archetypes into 1 and call it a day, even balancing would be simple.

But that's effectively "deleting" healers, like I said.

Healers want to heal. We don't want to be DPS - otherwise we'd just play the DPS jobs.

[Connor]

Because they literally swarmed and attacked people who came in with different views or enjoy how the current healing role plays by calling them braindead among other things, these healers are not innocent in that and they literally cannot settle on what they want, the thread is full of bickering.

Just putting it out there but respect is a two way street.

That doesn’t really track. The argument should be dismissed as invalid because a select few were mean about it? And what about the people who have shown respect? Screw them, I guess?

The thread being full of bickering is true of pretty much every internet forum thread in existence; it has no bearing on the argument the thread is making overall.

I mean, I’ve seen many people on both sides being ‘bitchy’ to each other. So I guess neither argument can be valid. Respect is a two way street , right?

[Kaixern]

Because they literally swarmed and attacked people who came in with different views or enjoy how the current healing role plays by calling them braindead among other things, these healers are not innocent in that and they literally cannot settle on what they want, the thread is full of bickering.

Just putting it out there but respect is a two way street.

That is the biggest issue in these sort of discussions

Having two sides with differents opinions is not really that of a problem, with enough talk you can solve it/understand the other.
The real issue is when you have this "third party" or any individual with the sole purpose being to throw off every hope of discussion from everyone here.
(at least that's how i see it/feel)

I know it's easier said than done, but keeping your cool (or at least trying your best) is the best thing you could do in this situation, from one side or the other.
(if not that'll give just more power to people who want healers problems to disappear under the rug, again)

[Kathryn]

But that's effectively "deleting" healers, like I said.

Healers want to heal. We don't want to be DPS - otherwise we'd just play the DPS jobs.

This further proves what I said earlier, alot of your healer allies have claimed your kits are too strong and you dont use most of it so they would like to do abit more DPS in that regard, don't shoot the messenger, even this strike doesnt know what it fully wants.

That is the biggest issue in these sort of discussions

Having two sides with differents opinions is not really that of a problem, with enough talk you can solve it/understand the other.
The real issue is when you have this "third party" or any individual with the sole purpose being to throw off every hope of discussion from everyone here.
(at least that's how i see it/feel)

I know it's easier said than done, but keeping your cool (or at least trying your best) is the best thing you could do in this situation, from one side or the other.
(if not that'll give just more power to people who want healers problems to disappear under the rug, again)

Personally I dont mind healing but im a DPS main, I heal when I wanna chill out which is admitedly alot lately, I find it hard to keep people alive in DF as is as they are eating most attacks especially sprouts, and at lvl 90 most people get 2 shot pretty much so I dont quite understand where this thinking is coming from bar the fact people have played healer and done the content for so long they are used to it and bored, Im not saying healer doesnt deserve love but to say healer is completely useless is a slap in the face to all their healer brethren out there still healing and ressing people who are not as experienced as they are.