#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[CaptainLagbeard]

Decided to punish myself, leveled WHM to 91 to try the first DT dungeon as a healer... My feelings after the run is that I thoroughly wish to tie the entire team of developers to chairs and force them to play through the entire game and MSQ as a CNJ/WHM from level 1 to 100.

[SoloD007]

I mean.... I'm not a healer main but I value and appreciate healers mains in any content that I do (giving commendations to healers even if it's not their main role that they play). So I'm not sure what's up. When I play healers, it seems fine. They have added gap closer to healer job so they don't explode more easily in savage raids. I mean if healers die in a savage content it's a straight up GG. Devs beefed up astro with 3 card sets, which is nice. Scholar is still scholar. They shield when necessary and dps throughout the rest of the fight. White mage still white mage, OgCD heals to get everyone topped up and then glare 3 throughout the fight. If you want healers to do more damage then they will just become actual dps, if that's the case. You might as well go play a dps role. But hey, if you guys want to stop playing ff14 just because of some changes that makes it too easy to play...? Then yeah so be it. Another person will take your place as a healer because healers are always in need. Also sweet as for me. Easier queue times when I play healer (I'm going to need faster queues to level all my healers from 90 to 100)

P.S: I wish you guys all the best with the strike. Good luck!

[SargeTheSeagull]

I love how everyone who seems to be against the strike literally doesn’t understand any of the points any of us have made. Like 90% of the objections I’ve seen are normies who think this is all because Xeno cleared the 91 dungeon without a healer when that was just the straw that broke the camel’s back.

[CaptainLagbeard]

I love how everyone who seems to be against the strike literally doesn’t understand any of the points any of us have made. Like 90% of the objections I’ve seen are normies who think this is all because Xeno cleared the 91 dungeon without a healer when that was just the straw that broke the camel’s back.

The thing with that is that they've effectively softened everything up to a point that it's actually tanks that are obsolete, because a DPS or a Healer can easily survive a "tankbuster" in generally anything below Extreme Trials. And as they made tanks obsolete, they also gave WAR and PLD more than enough tools to actually function as healers.

But as tanks can heal themselves, and everything hits for barely anything... Healers have more downtime, which inherently isn't a bad thing but they just absolutely refuse to give Healers anything to do with said downtime. All we get is spamming 1. Occasionally pressing 2 to reapply a DoT.

[Supersnow845]

The thing with that is that they've effectively softened everything up to a point that it's actually tanks that are obsolete, because a DPS or a Healer can easily survive a "tankbuster" in generally anything below Extreme Trials. And as they made tanks obsolete, they also gave WAR and PLD more than enough tools to actually function as healers.

But as tanks can heal themselves, and everything hits for barely anything... Healers have more downtime, which inherently isn't a bad thing but they just absolutely refuse to give Healers anything to do with said downtime. All we get is spamming 1. Occasionally pressing 2 to reapply a DoT.

Tanks aren’t obsolete for the single reason that in casual content they are the only ones who can effortlessly hold all agro and function without the other roles

In a dungeon a 1T3D is infinitely preferable to 1h3d and in a raid 4t4d is better than 4h4d

Yo dude, no need to get sarcastic. I can smell the salt all the way from Turliyollal lol. Sure midare spam is much less than the healers but I spam glare/malefic/broil/dosis when I play healers too and it's fine because I'm more concerned/busy of keeping the party alive than which color is my parse is going to be to after the clear. But hey you do you, living that salt life can be fun I guess...?

That’s our exact point where are you “busy keeping the party alive”, the tank is immortal in casual content and in savage you just fart out an oGCD and you’ll be at full by the next damage in 30 seconds

[SoloD007]

Tanks aren’t obsolete for the single reason that in casual content they are the only ones who can effortlessly hold all agro and function without the other roles

In a dungeon a 1T3D is infinitely preferable to 1h3d and in a raid 4t4d is better than 4h4d



That’s our exact point where are you “busy keeping the party alive”, the tank is immortal in casual content and in savage you just fart out an oGCD and you’ll be at full by the next damage in 30 seconds

30 secs is pretty fast in a savage content or higher content. Considering a typical clear fight if no errors and dps is on point is like 8 - 10 mins...? I think by the time you can even drink a mouthful of water, everyone is pretty much almost dead... lol

[CaptainLagbeard]

Tanks aren’t obsolete for the single reason that in casual content they are the only ones who can effortlessly hold all agro and function without the other roles

In a dungeon a 1T3D is infinitely preferable to 1h3d and in a raid 4t4d is better than 4h4d

I would like to see someone try to do a dungeon with a DRK and 3 DPS (without RDM for Vercure) to show that Tanks aren't obsolete, and it's not that WAR or PLD can double as a healer.

Alternatively, if you wanted to see if they indeed are, you could try to pull off doing a dungeon with 4 RDM, if I am correct they should be able to just facetank the boss and Vercure each other back up.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I would like to see someone try to do a dungeon with a DRK and 3 DPS (without RDM for Vercure) to show that Tanks aren't obsolete.

Alternatively, if you wanted to see if they indeed are, you could try to pull off doing a dungeon with 4 RDM, if I am correct they should be able to just facetank the boss and Vercure each other back up.

part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCy-PkLgZ68
part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttiIWIZsaA

I have wrote this somewhere before that explains the tl;dr of these two vids:

That 1DRK + 3DPS endeavor was run with MINE in the following duties:

1. Holminster Switch - no completion time data.
2. Amaurot - 15:58
3. Bardam's Mettle - 14:57
4. The Tower of Zot - 22:03 (wipe once on last boss, cleared in 2nd pull)
5. Dohn Mheg - 15:17 (also no interrupt/interject used on Fuath)
6. Mt. Gulg - 15:36 (with first megapull of 5 packs & last megapull, NO wipes on both.)
7. Shisui of the Violet Tides - 12:30 (wipe once on megapull after 1st boss)
8. Doma Castle - 15:39 (wipe once on megapull after 1st boss)
9. The Qitana Ravel - 20:25 (wipe once on last megapull)

All of these dungeons are filled with more commonly known "hard to heal by DF healer"-pulls. Again, with MINE active. It's not a situation you'll realistically see in daily DF runs - that's the equivalent of not wearing all gears obtained from first playthrough of MSQ on all 4 participants. It was far from a series of perfect runs. That low of a collective HPS was all that's needed, let that sink in. It should NOT even be a thing ideally.

[SargeTheSeagull]

I mean.... I'm not a healer main but I value and appreciate healers mains in any content that I do. So I'm not sure what's up. When I play healers, it seems fine. They have added gap closer to healer job so they don't explode more easily in savage raids. I mean if healers die in a savage content it's a straight up GG. Devs beefed up astro with 3 card sets, which is nice. Scholar is still scholar. They shield when necessary and dps throughout the rest of the fight. White mage still white mage, OgCD heals to get everyone topped up and then glare 3 throughout the fight. If you want healers to do more damage then they will just become actual dps, if that's the case. You might as well go play a dps role. But hey, if you guys want to stop playing ff14 just because of some changes that makes it too easy to play...? Then yeah so be it. Another person will take your place as a healer because healers are always in need. Also sweet as for me. Easier queue times when I play healer (I'm going to need faster queues to level all my healers from 90 to 100)

P.S: I wish you guys all the best with the strike. Good luck!

Literally none of that is the point. The point is it isn’t fun mashing glare/malefic/broil/dosis 130+ times in ALL forms of content.

If the devs want to keep healing requirements low for casuals that’s fine, but we need more DPS buttons like we had before ShB.

If the devs want to increase healing requirements so we actually have to use GCD heals so we feel like healers, awesome.

But refusing to do either of these just won’t do.

[SoloD007]

Literally none of that is the point. The point is it isn’t fun mashing glare/malefic/broil/dosis 130+ times in ALL forms of content.

If the devs want to keep healing requirements low for casuals that’s fine, but we need more DPS buttons like we had before ShB.

If the devs want to increase healing requirements so we actually have to use GCD heals so we feel like healers, awesome.

But refusing to do either of these just won’t do.

I have friends who are healer main like Sage, scholar etc and they don't mind the changes. They will still play the role because they like the job that they play. In terms of mashing glare/malefic/broil/ dosis etc. I mean i don't know.... do you healers want a midare setsugekka or spam fire 4 like a black mage and stressing over timers? I think spamming a skill is just part of the norm. Because at the end of the day. Clearing content is the end goal.