#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Erzaa]

Doesnt your own example kinda prove you wrong though when you say difficulty went up over the expansions? Stuff is so much more telegraphed and gives you much more time to react now than it was in world of darkness.

No, exactly the opposite. Because, what used to be obscure mechanics reserved only for raids, are now seen everywhere. That's the point. My deaths in ShB dungeons far outnumber my deaths in any dungeon up to SB.

And again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it makes things more fun and interesting overall, especially with the experience of knowing or identifying where I first saw a variation of said mechanic, but to argue the difficulty spike from ARR to EW isn't massive, it doesn't make sense to me.

And to say that, seeing a cast bar, with some random title, with absolutely no telegraph until after the snapshot, gives you more time to react? Huh?

[Flay_wind]

No, exactly the opposite. Because, what used to be obscure mechanics reserved only for raids, are now seen everywhere. That's the point. My deaths in ShB dungeons far outnumber my deaths in any dungeon up to SB.

And again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it makes things more fun and interesting overall, especially with the experience of knowing or identifying where I first saw a variation of said mechanic, but to argue the difficulty spike from ARR to EW isn't massive, it doesn't make sense to me.

And to say that, seeing a cast bar, with some random title, with absolutely no telegraph until after the snapshot, gives you more time to react? Huh?

Please name those obscure mechanics?

[Erzaa]

Please name those obscure mechanics?

I explained the Berserker just a few posts ago.

Or perhaps the flames that need to be placed on the curtains and piano?

Or how about Matoya's Relict where you're not sure if the puddles will hurt you or you should stand on them?

The boss that turns you into a toad with an untelegraphed aoe?

Having to get hit by Death Ray or Apokalypsis before you understand what they actually do?

There's tons of examples.

[Flay_wind]

I explained the Berserker just a few posts ago.

Or perhaps the flames that need to be placed on the curtains and piano?

Or how about Matoya's Relict where you're not sure if the puddles will hurt you or you should stand on them?

The boss that turns you into a toad with an untelegraphed aoe?

Having to get hit by Death Ray or Apokalypsis before you understand what they actually do?

There's tons of examples.

Berserker drops 4 rock piles on players, then immediately after places 4 stack markers. Like the only logical thing would be stack with those rock piles, since you do not want to multi-stack and there's nothing else that could probably save you.

Mortal Flame in Lugus and puddles in Nixie are not explained well, i agree, but both boil down to experimenting with mechanics and trying to see what works and what not.

Boss turning into a specific direction and starting casting something likely means you need to move behind it, also being turned into toad does not directly kill you since it does no damage and you cans till move while transformed, and you can clearly see the shape of the attack, so you won't (ideally) get hit the next time.

Death Ray is that way by design. You're supposed to get hit by it, and move out of the beam, it's why it does continuous, but not immediately lethal damage.
And if you see boss charging a massive laser and see that there are small separate spaces on the sides of the area, those are probably the safe spots to stand.

Like all in all a lot of those require you to just pay attention and learn, like all encounters in the game, really.

[Erzaa]

Berserker drops 4 rock piles on players, then immediately after places 4 stack markers. Like the only logical thing would be stack with those rock piles, since you do not want to multi-stack and there's nothing else that could probably save you.

Mortal Flame in Lugus and puddles in Nixie are not explained well, i agree, but both boil down to experimenting with mechanics and trying to see what works and what not.

Boss turning into a specific direction and starting casting something likely means you need to move behind it, also being turned into toad does not directly kill you since it does no damage and you cans till move while transformed, and you can clearly see the shape of the attack, so you won't (ideally) get hit the next time.

Death Ray is that way by design. You're supposed to get hit by it, and move out of the beam, it's why it does continuous, but not immediately lethal damage.
And if you see boss charging a massive laser and see that there are small separate spaces on the sides of the area, those are probably the safe spots to stand.

Like all in all a lot of those require you to just pay attention and learn, like all encounters in the game, really.

Yes I understand, I know all of that now. My entire point is that, these mechanics are far less intuitive at first glance, than say an ARR or HW boss, which boil down to don't step on yellow stuff. Which makes them harder for first timers. And even in ARR/HW there were a few of these, but far less than in later expansions, that's why later expansions have harder mechanics. And even when you have "don't stand in the yellow stuff" now, it's not 1 or 2, they cover the whole arena with a small safe spot, or force you to run to the last one, then dodge into the first one, often while also dodging lines etc.

Modern dungeons and trials and raids are much harder than their ARR/HW counterparts. They ask more of the player do keep an eye on and do.

My next isn't directed at you specifically, but in general however.

It's ironic to me how this whole thread asks others to understand the plight of healing being boring, and I do, I hope SE gives you all more stuff to optimise and do; yet the same people stick their heads in the sand, completely oblivious to the plight of new players and how overwhelming a lot of mechanics can be to them on the first or second try, and what a shock it can be moving from one expansion to the next. Or even to players who may just be slower on the uptake.

[fulminating]

Yes I understand, I know all of that now. My entire point is that, these mechanics are far less intuitive at first glance, than say an ARR or HW boss, which boil down to don't step on yellow stuff. Which makes them harder for first timers. And even in ARR/HW there were a few of these, but far less than in later expansions, that's why later expansions have harder mechanics. And even when you have don't stand in the yellow stuff now, it's not 1 or 2, they cover the whole arena with a small safe spot, or force you to run to the last one, then dodge into the first one, often while also dodging lines etc.

Modern dungeons and trials and raids are much harder than their ARR/HW counterparts. They ask more of the player do keep an eye on and do.

My next isn't directed at you specifically, but in general however.

It's ironic to me how this whole thread asks others to understand the plight of healing being boring, and I do, I hope SE gives you all more stuff to optimise and do; yet the same people stick their heads in the sand, completely oblivious to the plight of new players and how overwhelming a lot of mechanics can be to them on the first or second try, and what a shock it can be moving from one expansion to the next. Or even to players who may just be slower on the uptake.

Tell me how you knew ram's voice was point blank aoe/dragon's was doughnut in cutter's cry, or the purple crystal damage reduction in dzemael darkhold or about the staff guy's staves in wanderer's palace hard, or pharos sirius or lost city of amdapor (hard)'s butterfly mechanics or tentacles in hullbreaker or first boss of tamtara hard's mechanics or final boss of haukke hard's dps control or aurum vale's untelegraphed attacks on coincounter or snowballs in snowcloak to name just a few.

[Erzaa]

Tell me how you knew ram's voice was point blank aoe/dragon's was doughnut in cutter's cry, or the purple crystal damage reduction in dzemael darkhold or about the staff guy's staves in wanderer's palace hard, or pharos sirius or lost city of amdapor (hard)'s butterfly mechanics or tentacles in hullbreaker or first boss of tamtara hard's mechanics or final boss of haukke hard's dps control or aurum vale's untelegraphed attacks on coincounter or snowballs in snowcloak to name just a few.

In some cases I figured it out, in others I had someone experienced tell me. Same as modern dungeons. And I did specify, there were a few mechanics that were obscure in ARR/HW, but not nearly as common as later expansions. And all those mechanics happen one at a time, they rarely overlapped.

Now, you're given one chance to learn the mechanic, if you missed it, the next mechanics will overlap and you're just expected to survive.

[GrimGale]

It's ironic to me how this whole thread asks others to understand the plight of healing being boring, and I do, I hope SE gives you all more stuff to optimise and do; yet the same people stick their heads in the sand, completely oblivious to the plight of new players and how overwhelming a lot of mechanics can be to them on the first or second try, and what a shock it can be moving from one expansion to the next. Or even to players who may just be slower on the uptake.

This is not an argument against more interesting filler dps butons/mechanics though. It's an argument against increasing the amount of healing to do.

[Erzaa]

This is not an argument against more interesting filler dps butons/mechanics though. It's an argument against increasing the amount of healing to do.

My argument is that it's entirely disingenuous to say that ShB and EW are somehow easier than ARR or HW. They're absolutely not.

[XiaoShengwu]

Modern dungeons and trials and raids are much harder than their ARR/HW counterparts. They ask more of the player do keep an eye on and do.

because i know you weren't here back in ARR & HW (on content), i know you have never experienced a first room farm of Aurum Vale. Or a full run of it. what you are saying is nothing new to us. we, or at least a good handful of us, have been through all of these expansions at content. and, hate to break it to ya. but, no. what you're saying isn't true....at least historically speaking.

ARR & HW Used to be, and to some degree still are depending on the group of players DF decides to jumble together. Some of the harder content in the game. There are mechanics in those dungeons and raids, that have been nerfd countless times (as well as had telegraphs added to them). A lot of those mechanics back in the day, were things you had to die to at least once, to learn about them even being a thing. (this can ideally be related to doom, which; outside of its initial introduction in temple, isn't widely used in the overworld and other dungeons.)

Is the content past SHB more extensive in what it does? yes, i'll agree with you. But by no means is it more challenging.
The difficulty you're speaking of here, isn't "difficulty" in the sense of being mechanically challenging. But difficulty in the sense of fast reaction and damage. both of which, are easily negated.