#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[GoodPerson]

Hard agree, I've been praying on my knees for xiv to borrow WoWs homework for healers as it , while more stressful, actually gives the engaged healer fantasy, and they don't even dps because they hardly have the time to .

Ultimates aren't even that engaging either. I healed both uwu and tea, my most fun was LB3 and tending to mechanics nobody else wanted to do. I was hardly healing in any engaging way outside of scripted periods as scholar.

Ironically, jobs that incidentally have healing capabilities in gcds/ogcds(Dnc, Rdm, Smn etc) , if they just had like one extra gcd/ogcd that contributed to their job bar or mechanic in some way that healed or shielded, it be iconic, and immediately more tantalizing to play then whm/ast/sch/sge.

The only sense i can make of it is that Devs want healers to stay accessible as a "This is for you if you're new", while veteran players are meant to move off of healers, and onto dps or tanks, but that just doesn't make sense

[BlyzardEntialpoh]

Right. But you're part of the 1% that actually does this. Majority of players don't. We follow the light party standard. There is no way people progged Savage fights without a healer. So sure they wanted to test it and see if you could clear without a healer, but that's after clearing multiple times prior with one. Again, part of that 1%. I don't see an issue with that. If people who want to challenge the game in that manner, by all means, go ahead. It doesn't make an entire role irrelevant because of it. That's like saying bring a whole group of melee who out DPS range and casters and then saying the roles left out are irrelevant because they can't pump out as much DPS. It's silly. Instead of reworking roles, they need to add healing mechanics like they did on Shinryu. Or have an undead boss where healing him causes damage as well. But to entirely write off a role because the 1% don't use it is ridiculous.

[Kazamaiya]

While i don't play healers much, i very much so sympathize with those that do and want to see Healers be given the respect and rightful changes that they deserve.
You have my support! #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Anatha]

Did you seriously just claim pressing one button does more damage to your hands than having to manage many?

Please don't speak about matters you know nothing about.

You can argue it is boring, but don't bring unhinged nonsense as an argument.

All it really serves to do is demonstrate the weakness of the case.

[GrimGale]

Did you seriously just claim pressing one button does more damage to your hands than having to manage many?

Please don't speak about matters you know nothing about.

You can argue it is boring, but don't bring unhinged nonsense as an argument.

All it really serves to do is demonstrate the weakness of the case.

Huh, never really thought about it. I know repetitive strain injury is a thing, and I wonder if small variations in repetitive motion make it better or worse? In any case, it seems this is an adjacent issue to gaming as a whole.

I do now my old controller's "Broil" key was the first thing to break. The pad underneath it that is supposed to make it "bounce" back up after you press it gave away.

[WaxSw]

Right. But you're part of the 1% that actually does this. Majority of players don't. We follow the light party standard. There is no way people progged Savage fights without a healer. So sure they wanted to test it and see if you could clear without a healer, but that's after clearing multiple times prior with one. Again, part of that 1%. I don't see an issue with that. If people who want to challenge the game in that manner, by all means, go ahead. It doesn't make an entire role irrelevant because of it. That's like saying bring a whole group of melee who out DPS range and casters and then saying the roles left out are irrelevant because they can't pump out as much DPS.

The problem is that we see our kit get gutted for that extra healing that not even during prog is strictly necessary (because in endgame a mechanic failed most often than not is death or a wipe). People still prog with healers, ofc they do, but even during prog the healers are stuck with a kit is largely redundant and lacking in depth. You can check the log of any healer progging and you'll see how even under those situations they still nukespam more than anything, yes, its more bearable because mit and heals aren't planned but its still an experience inferior to what tanks and dps offer.

And lets not forget one thing, there is more gameplay past prog. Once the healer clears and starts optimizing they'll nukespam more and heal less which quickly devolves into the 1 button spam. Healers are punished with bad gameplay the better they become at their primary task, that is not good design under any scope.

It's silly. Instead of reworking roles, they need to add healing mechanics like they did on Shinryu. Or have an undead boss where healing him causes damage as well. But to entirely write off a role because the 1% don't use it is ridiculous.

Adding new mechanics to upcoming content wont fix the 10 years worth of msq and side content were those mechanics aren't present, content that is also the bulk of the daily content most people play. The main solution has to come from the job design because its the only thing that we interact with regardless of what content we play

[ZephyrMenodora]

Huh, never really thought about it. I know repetitive strain injury is a thing, and I wonder if small variations in repetitive motion make it better or worse? In any case, it seems this is an adjacent issue to gaming as a whole.

There are entire genres of games where people are mostly clicking one button. (Diablo, Path of Exile and other ARPGs, a lot of repetitive clicking in MOBAs too like LoL). I think at least in XIV you have to wait for a cast time to click it again, and if you aren't clicking that, you are clicking something else, so...not sure this is that compelling.

Players need to protect their own health and well-being but I don't see how healers that have cast times and less to click have it worse than higher APM dps jobs or anyone else. If it's too much, it's best that person play something that has very infrequent clicking like a story game or something.

[Shikiseki]

The overabundant 300p heal OGCDs is what gets me the most - it doesn't even need that much brainpower to design half decent reworks either:

Tanks only have like 6(!) tank buffs: one is shared across, one stronger mit, one special personal buff, one self heal, one party buff - that's it! the rest are dps skills and buffs

Now you could translate it for healers would be like: one shared standard heal (Cure), one stronger heal with splash around the target (Cure III), one special personal buff (think Aquaveil), a self buff (think Presence of Mind), one party mit/heal (Asylum)

The rest of the buttons can basically be dps skills with the other half being job unique to their system:
- WHM pure healing with Lilies
- AST RNG AoE Buffs
- SCH whacky swiss army knife skills like expedient
- SGE kardia dps healing

[ZephyrMenodora]

The overabundant 300p heal OGCDs is what gets me the most - it doesn't even need that much brainpower to design half decent reworks either:

Tanks only have like 6(!) tank buffs: one is shared across, one stronger mit, one special personal buff, one self heal, one party buff - that's it! the rest are dps skills and buffs

Now you could translate it for healers would be like: one shared standard heal (Cure), one stronger heal with splash around the target (Cure III), one special personal buff (think Aquaveil), a self buff (think Presence of Mind), one party mit/heal (Asylum)

The rest of the buttons can basically be dps skills with the other half being job unique to their system:
- WHM pure healing with Lilies
- AST RNG AoE Buffs
- SCH whacky swiss army knife skills like expedient
- SGE kardia dps healing

I'm not really interested in healing being dumbed down to 5 or 6 skills and then more DPS. Expanded class systems are fine, but the example above seems to suggest making healing even less challenging.

Tanks aren't really the best comparison. MMO tanks are still martial classes and DPS was always part of their gameplay as it helps with their function of keeping emnity.

[GrimGale]

I'm not really interested in healing being dumbed down to 5 or 6 skills and then more DPS. Expanded class systems are fine, but the example above seems to suggest making healing even less challenging.

One thing that is not really talked about regarding healer skills (Including their DPS kits) is how "basic" their effects are.

You can get away with having few buttons if the moment to moment gameplay with them has a few layers of interactivity.

As they are now, the interactions within kits are very one note.

The most interesting skills tend to have a few effects and consequences. Earthly Star has a cool delayed heal mechanic increasing its potency significantly if it's allowed to stay undetonated for 10 seconds. We could have mechanically interesting DPS skills without adding anymore buttons.

Imagine Ruin II applying a short duration DoT (like between 12 and 18 seconds), if you reapply it after a few seconds (When there are 2 seconds left for it to expire) it explodes, for a bit of extra damage.
Imagine Dia granting procs of Sacred Sight to allow Glare IV.
Imagine Dosis having a 50% chance to grant addersting and Toxikon having a bit more potency (Not enough to be DPS neutral with the shield application but being a gain on Dosis)
Imagine AST having some interesting interaction with their Minor arcana that isn't just another oGCD attack or heal.

With a little bit more of mechanical interaction you could have an extra layer of meaningful engagement with the filler rotations without adding any buttons!