#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Anatha]

Did you seriously just claim pressing one button does more damage to your hands than having to manage many?

Please don't speak about matters you know nothing about.

You can argue it is boring, but don't bring unhinged nonsense as an argument.

All it really serves to do is demonstrate the weakness of the case.

[GrimGale]

Did you seriously just claim pressing one button does more damage to your hands than having to manage many?

Please don't speak about matters you know nothing about.

You can argue it is boring, but don't bring unhinged nonsense as an argument.

All it really serves to do is demonstrate the weakness of the case.

Huh, never really thought about it. I know repetitive strain injury is a thing, and I wonder if small variations in repetitive motion make it better or worse? In any case, it seems this is an adjacent issue to gaming as a whole.

I do now my old controller's "Broil" key was the first thing to break. The pad underneath it that is supposed to make it "bounce" back up after you press it gave away.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Huh, never really thought about it. I know repetitive strain injury is a thing, and I wonder if small variations in repetitive motion make it better or worse? In any case, it seems this is an adjacent issue to gaming as a whole.

There are entire genres of games where people are mostly clicking one button. (Diablo, Path of Exile and other ARPGs, a lot of repetitive clicking in MOBAs too like LoL). I think at least in XIV you have to wait for a cast time to click it again, and if you aren't clicking that, you are clicking something else, so...not sure this is that compelling.

Players need to protect their own health and well-being but I don't see how healers that have cast times and less to click have it worse than higher APM dps jobs or anyone else. If it's too much, it's best that person play something that has very infrequent clicking like a story game or something.

[Sarixis]

Did you seriously just claim pressing one button does more damage to your hands than having to manage many?

Please don't speak about matters you know nothing about.

You can argue it is boring, but don't bring unhinged nonsense as an argument.

All it really serves to do is demonstrate the weakness of the case.

I am currently a healthcare worker who has had tendonitis in the past and has to use ergonomic equipment now as a preventative measure. My best friend is also an OR Nurse, I have multiple other friends who work in healthcare, including an Osteo MD, to consult and clarify information with on top of growing up with healthcare professionals who taught me much. Needless to say, I have a wealth of resources to glean from on this topic along with my own experience and research on the condition.

High APM activities are more likely to cause more immediate symptoms, but guaranteed, slow, yet repetitive movement is just as capable of causing repetitive strain injury that can take even longer to treat because the symptoms can go unnoticed longer. It's why office computer jobs are just as much at risk as jobs that are more physically demanding because the slower, but still repetitive action builds up in the muscle and tendons. This is why ergonomic office equipment even exists as a preventative measure to such conditions.

But clearly I know nothing about a condition I've had to live with and manage for the last few years. Having to own ergonomic equipment and even see a physical therapist to treat a few years back because of the very slow burn tendonitis (it was a phlebotomy job for context) you claim can't happen in comparison to activities that are more immediately intense.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I am currently a healthcare worker who has had tendonitis in the past and has to use ergonomic equipment now as a preventative measure. My best friend is also an OR Nurse, I have multiple other friends who work in healthcare, including an Osteo MD, to consult and clarify information with on top of growing up with healthcare professionals who taught me much. Needless to say, I have a wealth of resources to glean from on this topic along with my own experience and research on the condition.

High APM activities are more likely to cause more immediate symptoms, but guaranteed, slow, yet repetitive movement is just as capable of causing repetitive strain injury that can take even longer to treat because the symptoms can go unnoticed longer. It's why office computer jobs are just as much at risk as jobs that are more physically demanding because the slower, but still repetitive action builds up in the muscle and tendons. This is why ergonomic office equipment even exists as a preventative measure to such conditions.

But clearly I know nothing about a condition I've had to live with and manage for the last few years. Having to own ergonomic equipment and even see a physical therapist to treat a few years back because of the very slow burn tendonitis (it was a phlebotomy job for context) you claim can't happen in comparison to activities that are more immediately intense.

I'm sorry that you are experiencing this, but I just fail to see how this should be the foundation of the Healer Strike as you suggested. Video games in general feature a lot of button pressing, and it is an innate risk and something to manage regardless of what video game, or in FFXIV, what job, you are playing.

[Sarixis]

I'm sorry that you are experiencing this, but I just fail to see how this should be the foundation of the Healer Strike as you suggested. Video games in general feature a lot of button pressing, and it is an innate risk and something to manage regardless of what video game, or in FFXIV, what job, you are playing.

Thank you for being considerate, it's something I have very under control these days. The reason I suggested it isn't because button pressing is the problem, but rather the default position and action healers do is significantly more repetitive than other roles which can accelerate getting a condition like trigger finger.

With other jobs, at minimum there is often a 1-2-3 pattern which is a decent variation of movement for your hand compared to the healer 1-1-1, which is more akin to the motion of an office employee using their mouse, because your hand and finger are locked into a single position for far longer. This makes it more likely that these players will develop micro-tears and traumas in the tendons because you're incentivized to lock your hand and finger into a fixed, non-resting position when you don't occasionally weave in an oGCD. And it means getting good at healer, which incentivizes that 111111 gameplay, would be an increased risk of developing such a condition compared to the generalized risk factors for video games.

It's not something to alert the news about, but it's something to consider the long term consequences of given how healers have played like this for years now. Which is more than enough time for veteran healers in particular to develop adverse effects from in comparison to other roles.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Thank you for being considerate, it's something I have very under control these days. The reason I suggested it isn't because button pressing is the problem, but rather the default position and action healers do is significantly more repetitive than other roles which can accelerate getting a condition like trigger finger.

With other jobs, at minimum there is often a 1-2-3 pattern which is a decent variation of movement for your hand compared to the healer 1-1-1, which is more akin to the motion of an office employee using their mouse, because your hand and finger are locked into a single position for far longer. This makes it more likely that these players will develop micro-tears and traumas in the tendons because you're incentivized to lock your hand and finger into a fixed, non-resting position when you don't occasionally weave in an oGCD. And it means getting good at healer, which incentivizes that 111111 gameplay, would be an increased risk of developing such a condition compared to the generalized risk factors for video games.

It's not something to alert the news about, but it's something to consider the long term consequences of given how healers have played like this for years now. Which is more than enough time for veteran healers in particular to develop adverse effects from in comparison to other roles.

Thanks - I appreciate your patience and explanation. Awareness never hurts, especially as this is an issue for gamers.

[Sarixis]

Thanks - I appreciate your patience and explanation. Awareness never hurts, especially as this is an issue for gamers.

Of course! You were just trying to learn, so why shouldn't I share what I know? It's definitely one of those issues that is difficult because it's not in your face so it's easier for people to brush it off. And it won't affect everyone, but it is an accessibility issue at the end of the day.

[UnconfirmedCat]

Just some of my personal responses to the things I've heard since this started. Quite a few of these are redundant with responses already made by people in the thread. I'm not even strawmanning with these. Every single one of these points has been said by someone criticizing #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE. It's quite...uh....astonishing...let's say that...astonishing.

A: Healers are really dumb, therefore they deserve to have the simplest rotation possible.
B: Okay, well you can play any job in this game at any time. So the people who play healers also play DPS and tanks, so we need to logically demand those rotations get dumbed down to match healer.

A: Healers have so many tools and need to have easy rotations because their job is to correct the party's mistakes.
B: Okay. If dungeons are so easy to be done without healers, then you don't really need a healer to correct mistakes. Additionally, in ultimates and savages how are you supposed to "fix people's mistakes" when 80% of mistakes just flat out cause a wipe. They even disabled healer res in Criterion, and res is entirely disabled from Criterion (savage).

A: If you want an engaging healer experience then go do Ultimate. (Yikes, this is also straight from Yoshi-P....)
B: I should not have to do the literal hardest content in the game to enjoy a role. A role should be enjoyable at all difficulties to a high degree. And even then, by striking aren't healers doing exactly what you're telling them to do? Hecking off because they don't find certain content engaging?

A: I'm just going to use trusts then, lol (Zepla literally said this)
B: Okay, have fun queuing your roulettes with trusts I guess?

A: Dungeons aren't designed to be fun, they are designed to be easy.
B: Okay that's just another reason not to queue into dungeons as healer? It's kinda the point that it's boring and too easy? ???

A: (In response to the Xeno video of the first dungeon getting cleared during the media tour with no healer) It's only the first dungeon of the expansion that was cleared without healers. It's supposed to be easy.
B: Uh. Tower of Zot and Holminster Switch are easily the two hardest leveling dungeons for trash pulls in their respective expansions.

A: Your healer strike will never work! It'll not even make an impact!
B: Okay. Still not queuing for your roulettes, because it sucks.

A: Your healer strike is just disruptive and spiteful towards people who just want to run content!
B: But I thought....

[GoatOfWar]

If i was a healer main i wouldn't just stop at ''not queuing as healer''
I would try to maximise what little individual impact i can by actively queuing and pffing dps. And urging others to do so too.
Which by the way, is the perfect time for it. Because we're in a double dps job drop expansion.