#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Giggle]

We already know how it'll play because there are no changes other than potencies at best, and the DT changes barely change how any job plays.

You don't need stellar players to clear without healer because shit barely hits and non healer sustain is at an all time high. In the video of the dungeon clear dps and tanks got hit and still cleared fine.

We barely weave any heals, easily 70-80% of our actions, including ogcd heals, are dps actions thats why we ask for changes. We want to have fun and if we what do the most is dpsing, we want a fun dps rotation.

Again, it was done on a 3 to 4 month old media tour build. Who knows what it will actually be like on release when people start to play. Perhaps im just being hopeful!

First dungeon of Endwalker I sometimes get in roulettes and to this day people wipe. Maybe I am easy pleased.

I just dont think the same as some on this post and dislike when others try to speak on my behalf such as this thread. I am not part of the "concensus" nor will I be striking. Good luck with it though folks.

[Supersnow845]

Again, it was done on a 3 to 4 month old media tour build. Who knows what it will actually be like on release when people start to play. Perhaps im just being hopeful!

First dungeon of Endwalker I sometimes get in roulettes and to this day people wipe. Maybe I am easy pleased.

I just dont think the same as some on this post and dislike when others try to speak on my behalf such as this thread. I am not part of the "concensus" nor will I be striking. Good luck with it though folks.

Dohn mheg was the ShB media tour dungeon and they nerfed the second boss from the media tour build. I mean it’s fine to be hopeful but we have literally no evidence of this other than just a hope because it supports a contrarian take

But please go ahead and play healers, we aren’t forcing you to strike with us, there is no picket line you are more than welcome to continue to play them, if you enjoy them we support you

All healers have more dps buttons than the dot and nuke. Some are getting more innDT. You do your cause a disservice and come across as disingenuous by pretending the other damage buttons don't exist. You may not have a robust rotation but over exaggeration is doing you no favors.

The healer with the most complex rotation gets 8 GCD presses and 2 oGCD presses every TWO minutes outside their DOT and nuke, that is nothing in the grand scheme of things

[PeppermintBrown]

Even if Dawntrail manages to be a healer paradise, they've backed themselves into a corner by giving healers only heals, a nuke spells, and a DoT.

They cannot keep it up and even if they somehow do it won't make roulettes more interesting either. Jobs need to be baseline engaging and DPS tools that are always relevant is an obvious way to do it.

All healers have more dps buttons than the dot and nuke. Some are getting more innDT. You do your cause a disservice and come across as disingenuous by pretending the other damage buttons don't exist. You may not have a robust rotation but over exaggeration is doing you no favors.

[Wyti]

Yeah SGE is getting a new button (that SCH should have had instead but thats another debate)
other healers got a new button to press 1-3 times every 2 minutes... it barely counts

[Mortex]

Wait...all this thread for a 3 to 4 month old build, without seeing and playing things yourself and based on the first MSQ dungeon being completed by Ultimate raiders with no healer?

Even in roulettes I need to heal or people die, not everyone plays well all the time. Yes dps rotation is simple but you weave heals throughout. If you just want to dps play a dps. I cant see the issue. Sorry.

Oh another one of “these” posts (no offence but it’s the same text regurgitated 24/7)

Yes even I have to heal in dungeons (low lvl dungeon or when the tank is a drk or doesn’t have a clue what to do, which in itself is kinda rare these days) but the majority is not even close for the times I’m smashing a single button for 70-80 %. Like 90 % of the times I do tell people they can stand in aoe in dungeons so I have to do anything at all.

Like how do people can say this when you look at a spooky logs site and see whm having around 60 % glare casts and 10% dia casts and think it’s not a problem in a not even optimised parse even.

“But healer have to weave heals” yes and tanks weave defensive skill and dps entire ogcd rotations but they still have a decent number off things to do when these windows are over while I as a whm murder my 1 key.

[BlyzardEntialpoh]

I disagree and don't think this is necessary to be honest. I am AST/WHM healer main and don't understand the need to go this far as to protest against what they have done with this role.

1. The streamers that clear content without a healer are Elitists. This is their job. They don't do anything else so they find ways to make it different and challenge themselves. For example, streamers that clear FFX with only using Wakka or whatever. This is what they do. This does not show anything other than they are bored. While , yes the dungeon can be cleared without a healer, how many people actually do this? 1%? Not enough to make Yoshi-P care in my opinion.

2. As far as the role being "boring" in dungeon content, this dungeon is a story one. The first one. Please tell me how many times you actually run a story dungeon more than once MAYBE twice in an expansion (outside of expert). The expert dungeons, tanks don't survive without a healer when big pulling. Also, the streamers running this dungeon probably spent their entire media tour slot playing this dungeon. So they knew the mechanics, didn't get hit and had a red mage and warrior. Get into a dungeon with someone who hasn't done it yet and the healer role is necessary, guaranteed. I do think they could add like an "Extreme" version of dungeons to maybe help with your need to heal in dungeons. Seems like you don't do much else...

3. I do agree that the healing potency of tanks need to be decreased. Definitely way too high for no reason.

4. In regards to "boring rotation", you would complain about not being able to maintain your rotation because you had to stop and heal. So pick your battles. New attacks were added this expansion and we don't need to make it complicated. Our job is not have the highest DPS, it's to heal and when we are doing end game content, healers are very necessary and relevant.

5. Are you the same people that complained about the grapes? If so, this would make a lot of sense.

6. With all this being said, I do understand your side and where you're coming from, but I don't think it's necessary based on one media tour dungeon that a group of Elitists streamed. Give the expansion some time to show off what it has created and then form a formal strike or whatever. This is like seeing one FATE and then throwing your hands up saying, "I knew it! They only have collection fates now! I am done!" Calm down, talk to your therapist, it's going to be ok.

In the meantime, thank you in advance for the quick queues, higher numbers for healer DPS, space in ultimate groups, and much more. Best of luck in Dawntrail!

[LyraShu]

I disagree and don't think this is necessary to be honest. I am AST/WHM healer main and don't understand the need to go this far as to protest against what they have done with this role.

1. The streamers that clear content without a healer are Elitists. This is their job. They don't do anything else so they find ways to make it different and challenge themselves. For example, streamers that clear FFX with only using Wakka or whatever. This is what they do. This does not show anything other than they are bored. While , yes the dungeon can be cleared without a healer, how many people actually do this? 1%? Not enough to make Yoshi-P care in my opinion.

2. As far as the role being "boring" in dungeon content, this dungeon is a story one. The first one. Please tell me how many times you actually run a story dungeon more than once MAYBE twice in an expansion (outside of expert). The expert dungeons, tanks don't survive without a healer when big pulling. Also, the streamers running this dungeon probably spent their entire media tour slot playing this dungeon. So they knew the mechanics, didn't get hit and had a red mage and warrior. Get into a dungeon with someone who hasn't done it yet and the healer role is necessary, guaranteed. I do think they could add like an "Extreme" version of dungeons to maybe help with your need to heal in dungeons. Seems like you don't do much else...

3. I do agree that the healing potency of tanks need to be decreased. Definitely way too high for no reason.

4. In regards to "boring rotation", you would complain about not being able to maintain your rotation because you had to stop and heal. So pick your battles. New attacks were added this expansion and we don't need to make it complicated. Our job is not have the highest DPS, it's to heal and when we are doing end game content, healers are very necessary and relevant.

5. Are you the same people that complained about the grapes? If so, this would make a lot of sense.

6. With all this being said, I do understand your side and where you're coming from, but I don't think it's necessary based on one media tour dungeon that a group of Elitists streamed. Give the expansion some time to show off what it has created and then form a formal strike or whatever. This is like seeing one FATE and then throwing your hands up saying, "I knew it! They only have collection fates now! I am done!" Calm down, talk to your therapist, it's going to be ok.

In the meantime, thank you in advance for the quick queues, higher numbers for healer DPS, space in ultimate groups, and much more. Best of luck in Dawntrail!

1. I am casual casual so I don't run the hardest content tbh, but the number of times I have to sit for 20 min dead in a dungeon because the tank decides to one shot a boss, well, lets just say there is a reason why I have things next to me to play with while I wait when I queue as a healer.

2. I mean, I run then all the time so I guess I don't see this point.

3. Ty~ Though, and I can't talk for everyone this is just a compromise from me, I would be happiest with a rotation that doens't put me to sleep~

4. Oh! Good timing, actually this is my issue! There isn't enough variety so if the game is leaning into "do a rotation with occasional Ogcd's", then please make it interesting. Otherwise, ya bring the chaos cause any disruptions to the "rotations" just leads to actual healer gameplay for me.

5. g....grapes?

6. I mean, I do see your point as well. This is one dungeon from the variety that will become available. I think that peoples hold on this subject is just that, since this is the new "max level", then how can it be possible without maxed out BiS gear to do this dungeon without proper support? Idk, that just seems to be my viewpoint on it so I do see both sides with this tbh.

I hope you enjoy the quick healer queues! Tbh, it just puts me to sleep anymore so I hope you enjoy it! I am gonna enjoy some of the other content I need to catch up on and maybe learn so new things as well~

[Turtledeluxe]

1. I am casual casual so I don't run the hardest content tbh, but the number of times I have to sit for 20 min dead in a dungeon because the tank decides to one shot a boss, well, lets just say there is a reason why I have things next to me to play with while I wait when I queue as a healer.

I have also seen this behavior and it's why some TNKs don't want change, I think. Sone tanks generally play dungeons like this even when the party is alive. Everyone else is just following a WAR mowing down the dungeon. Engaging role for me, but not thee, as they say.

[Delis]

I disagree and don't think this is necessary to be honest. I am AST/WHM healer main and don't understand the need to go this far as to protest against what they have done with this role.

1. The streamers that clear content without a healer are Elitists. This is their job. They don't do anything else so they find ways to make it different and challenge themselves. For example, streamers that clear FFX with only using Wakka or whatever. This is what they do. This does not show anything other than they are bored. While , yes the dungeon can be cleared without a healer, how many people actually do this? 1%? Not enough to make Yoshi-P care in my opinion.

2. As far as the role being "boring" in dungeon content, this dungeon is a story one. The first one. Please tell me how many times you actually run a story dungeon more than once MAYBE twice in an expansion (outside of expert). The expert dungeons, tanks don't survive without a healer when big pulling. Also, the streamers running this dungeon probably spent their entire media tour slot playing this dungeon. So they knew the mechanics, didn't get hit and had a red mage and warrior. Get into a dungeon with someone who hasn't done it yet and the healer role is necessary, guaranteed. I do think they could add like an "Extreme" version of dungeons to maybe help with your need to heal in dungeons. Seems like you don't do much else...

You don't need to be a high end world first raider to clear dungeons with out a healer. My friends and myself have done every 90 dungeon on parch day with out a healer. People have cleared ex trials with out a healer while the trial was still relevant. Heck people have even cleared savage fight this expansion, with out a healer, while it was still current and relevant. And you don't see an issue with that? As a tank main, I shoukd not be able to wall to wall pull a max level dungeon, with out a healer, and be perfectly okay, and not even be worried a bit about dying.

[BlyzardEntialpoh]

Right. But you're part of the 1% that actually does this. Majority of players don't. We follow the light party standard. There is no way people progged Savage fights without a healer. So sure they wanted to test it and see if you could clear without a healer, but that's after clearing multiple times prior with one. Again, part of that 1%. I don't see an issue with that. If people who want to challenge the game in that manner, by all means, go ahead. It doesn't make an entire role irrelevant because of it. That's like saying bring a whole group of melee who out DPS range and casters and then saying the roles left out are irrelevant because they can't pump out as much DPS. It's silly. Instead of reworking roles, they need to add healing mechanics like they did on Shinryu. Or have an undead boss where healing him causes damage as well. But to entirely write off a role because the 1% don't use it is ridiculous.