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  1. #881
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    Xeno Velmont
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    Alpha
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    Paladin Lv 90
    +1 from me. Healing can be engaging in several ways; MP management, dealing with movement, the damage rotation, and healing itself. Every expansion these aspects have been diminished.

    > No active choices are made to manage MP, you pick a piety which fits and you're done.
    > Movement is easy now with 1.5s filler spells and many instant spells.
    > The damage rotation is totally lacking, no DoTs of different lengths to juggle, no procs, no combos or anything of that sort, just '1' over and over.
    > And finally healing has been offloaded to other roles' personal heals/mit, and a massive amount of oGCDs which does nothing to vary your GCD presses. The range of heal spells has also been inflated, so there's no thought or planning how to heal effectively from a distance. Even across the new massive hitboxes (something which made tanking/melee uptime less engaging but that's another issue) you can heal freely.
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  2. #882
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    xbahax92's Avatar
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    Flan Vongola
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    Raiden
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by BismarckBug View Post
    "Change this role, we're boycotting!" If you want an echo chamber then please let us know in the very beginning. I truly don't want my role changed because people who have never done the hardest content want to change the job for everyone.
    Do I really have to play ultimates so I am allowed to criticise the 1-1-1-1-(dot)-1-1-1-1 button spam in my expert roulettes?
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  3. #883
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    Pandurah's Avatar
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    Luma Deahaart
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    Lich
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by BismarckBug View Post
    I started playing at the end of Shadowbringers (.55 or .58 patch, I'm not exactly sure) but I've done the last savage tier (I'll say it wasn't real experience though, I was bad and I had echo) and I've been heal maining since then, not missing out on any content at all. I don't know how it was in the expansions before exactly so I will not try to invalidate any of that. I enjoy playing all healers apart from Scholar which I just find boring as a job.
    Healing has remained consistently stale since the start of Shadowbringers - there was loads more depth to the role beforehand, so that's where a lot of the unhappiness stems from. It's fine if you enjoy the role as it is now, you honestly don't know any different, so it may be hard to truly understand just where those of us that're complaining are coming from (I don't mean to sound condescending or dismissive but it reads that way). SCH was never boring before Shadowbringers.
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  4. #884
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    Bismarck Bug
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    Louisoix
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by xbahax92 View Post
    Do I really have to play ultimates so I am allowed to criticise the 1-1-1-1-(dot)-1-1-1-1 button spam in my expert roulettes?
    No, I'm going off by the original "manifesto" of this thread and I generally criticised the "Lack of threat level in nearly all forms of content."

    I can see how healer can be boring in (with your example) expert roulettes, but I also share the same opinion of pretty much every other job since it's all "wall to wall twice, kill boss, wall to wall twice, kill boss, wall to wall twice, kill final boss"
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  5. #885
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandurah View Post
    Healing has remained consistently stale since the start of Shadowbringers - there was loads more depth to the role beforehand, so that's where a lot of the unhappiness stems from. It's fine if you enjoy the role as it is now, you honestly don't know any different, so it may be hard to truly understand just where those of us that're complaining are coming from (I don't mean to sound condescending or dismissive but it reads that way). SCH was never boring before Shadowbringers.
    I guess the part I can relate to would be that I miss AST being able to be a shield healer or a pure healer with the 2 different sects. I dislike the direction they took in the Endwalker rework to force them into a specific role, so I will concede that. I will look more into how healers used to be, even if I can't really experience it first-hand.
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  6. #886
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    Merunari's Avatar
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    Fray Myste
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    Sephirot
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    Dark Knight Lv 86
    Quote Originally Posted by Pandurah View Post
    Healing has remained consistently stale since the start of Shadowbringers
    Longer than that if you play WHM. At least we had more to do pre-Shadowbringers, but WHM has always been the one straggling behind. Instead of buffing WHM in Shadowbringers, they homogenized all the other healers.
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  7. #887
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    Yasu Naoya
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    Malboro
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by xbahax92 View Post
    Do I really have to play ultimates so I am allowed to criticise the 1-1-1-1-(dot)-1-1-1-1 button spam in my expert roulettes?
    Clearly this is what YoshiP told us to do, no?
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  8. #888
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by BismarckBug View Post
    I have to pull you up on this because I have a feeling that you haven't done all forms of content because this general dissatisfaction does not exactly fit the bill in Savage, Savage Criterion and Ultimate content. Unless you are playing in the most optimal setting (most aren't) and are overgeared for the content (applies to Savage, at which point it's not about job design it's about ilvl bruteforcing) then you are straining your cohealer because they are for sure doing GCD healing which you yourself seem to prefer.
    I've done all forms of content, from casual dungeons to week 1 savage to on-content ultimates. There is nothing, not a single fight, that stresses your entire kit to the point that you have to meticulously plan everything. The only piece of content where that rings true was week 1 P8S because the DPS check was very tight and we were basically forced to optimise to actually beat phase 1.

    I think the only other content I've done that comes close to engaging healing was solohealing E12S in an all BLU party.
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  9. #889
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    Luma Deahaart
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    Lich
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Merunari View Post
    Longer than that if you play WHM. At least we had more to do pre-Shadowbringers, but WHM has always been the one straggling behind. Instead of buffing WHM in Shadowbringers, they homogenized all the other healers.
    Aye yeah, sorry I forgot. I was sad to see a lot of WHMs unique abilities get cannibalized into the role system. I loved the aesthetic; Divine Seal, Largesse, Shroud of Saints... (hmm Shroud of Saints aka Seraphism??)
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  10. #890
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    Sewer Bimbo
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    Spriggan
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    Dancer Lv 90
    >login to website made for opinions and discussion
    >get angry and dismissive when i see opinion and discussion

    the duality of people angry about this thread
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