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    Kirino Blaiddyd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roshidon1 View Post
    Just for reference, I play WoW and the healers in that game (atleast the ones I play) do have an actual rotation. I would probably not enjoy healing as much if they didn't. That being said, the "full damage" rotation is usually only used on casual content. As you start going into harder content you spend more time healing and less time doing the damage rotation.

    I just have a question for the healers: Is this just a problem in casual content, or is this something you see in Savage or Extreme Trials, for example?
    as a hardcore player, i find this issue in every content. savage and ultimates included but lesser content is more predominant. savages and ultimates are kinda hard to speak upon because imo it's gonna depend on encounter design. which is why i don't think we need a whole dps rotation but adding more dps spells you can optimize depending on encounters would be very nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinoodles_ View Post
    as a hardcore player, i find this issue in every content. savage and ultimates included but lesser content is more predominant. savages and ultimates are kinda hard to speak upon because imo it's gonna depend on encounter design. which is why i don't think we need a whole dps rotation but adding more dps spells you can optimize depending on encounters would be very nice
    That seems reasonable.
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roshidon1 View Post
    Just for reference, I play WoW and the healers in that game (atleast the ones I play) do have an actual rotation. I would probably not enjoy healing as much if they didn't. That being said, the "full damage" rotation is usually only used on casual content. As you start going into harder content you spend more time healing and less time doing the damage rotation.

    I just have a question for the healers: Is this just a problem in casual content, or is this something you see in Savage or Extreme Trials, for example?
    I just referenced my casts for Dragonsong's Reprise (Ultimate) and I spent 58% of my GCD casts on Broil IV. Take that as you will.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I just referenced my casts for Dragonsong's Reprise (Ultimate) and I spent 58% of my GCD casts on Broil IV. Take that as you will.
    Add In biolysis and you are at about 70% already
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeppermintBrown View Post
    And gamers do not have the discipline to keep this up long term.
    I like "gamers don't have discipline" on a forum thread that you can't post in without an active subscription to the award winning MMO FFXIV Online: A Realm Reborn
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    Vicious Zvahl
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    Good luck Healers Union
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    "I thought that my invincible power would hold the world captive, leaving me in a freedom undisturbed. Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge fires and cruel hard strokes. When at last the work was done and the links were complete and unbreakable, I found that it held me in its grip." - Rabindranath Tagore

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    We have tried giving feedback, offering suggestions, proving everything wrong with healers for years, all to not be heard and watching how the problems were left to fester to the point of having our entire role become unnecesary, devoid of depth, complexity, synergy and identity. At this point the "strike" is our only option left to have even the slightest chance of being heard and have the role problems acknowledged and addresed.

    After all as customers we are in our right to stop playing something we don't want to. "If you don't like it, don't play it" as the SE white knights would say
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    Emnity management is a group responsibility, HP management is a group responsibility, Mitigation is a group responsibility ,DPS is a group responsibility
    Anybody saying "I only want to <x>" just tells me they are lazy and selfish.

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    As Waxsaw said genuinely what are we supposed to do

    We have soapboxed in here for 8 years now, we are being ignored, what else are we supposed to do
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    As Waxsaw said genuinely what are we supposed to do

    We have soapboxed in here for 8 years now, we are being ignored, what else are we supposed to do
    Play another role and hope the queue times hurt them hard enough to change the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    Play another role and hope the queue times hurt them hard enough to change the game.
    And that’s the point of the strike, I don’t hate 14 I hate healers in 14

    So someone else can play these piles of garbage while I enjoy the rest of the game
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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