Relic News - 6.45

[Atelier-Bagur]

Yeah, as anticlimactic as this relic is, depending on how the future patches handle the rest of it. This could be the most future proof ready relic we have had yet.

The HW's relic was pretty future proof. In fact prior to EW's relic it was the most easiest chain to complete since the activities required for doing it was relatively simple and not bound by anything major. It also had better use of tomestone spending where you bought materials to progress on the grind such as allocating stats and and not as braindead as a direct purchase.

It still was a grind and it still sucked (as most grinds are) but it was the best one as every step had something different to do that was easy to manage. I was initially excited when I heard the news for EW's relic being quest based and many people thought this meant they were going back to the HW style of grind but yeah...haha we all know how this is turning out.

[Dohmi-Zeiva]

you know what's funny?

y'all whined about A Realm Reborn Zeta relics being grindy
y'all whined about Heavensward Anima weapons being grindy
y'all whined about Stormblood Eureka weapons being grindy
y'all whined about Shadowbringers Bozja weapons being grindy.


they decide this time around they'll just make it a consistent "earn X amount of tomestones to buy the upgrade materials" and surprise, surprise, y'all whine about that too.

no matter what they do some of y'all are never happy and you're going to be what causes the devs to stop engaging with the community because your perpetually unhappy asses are never satisfied with what they give you.

In all likelihood that's different groups of people. As is normally the case, people complain on the forums when unhappy, but rarely do they come here to celebrate and if they do, those posts generally don't gain the traction the negative ones do.

Fact is, there will always be a group unhappy with any one particular design choice.

My gripe, being that 1500 tomestones is lazy lazy lazy design.

[Deo14]

Yeah, as anticlimactic as this relic is, depending on how the future patches handle the rest of it. This could be the most future proof ready relic we have had yet.

If relics were linked to IS/EO/Variant dungeon, then they would have solid future proofing too, since you can do all of these solo.

Thinking about it, they are even past proof, since you can just save 1500 tomes before patch, and get them 5 minutes after a release.

So they're past proof, future proof, yet not an ounce of present proofing.

[Xirean]

Fun fact, you can't submit feedback or even most on this forum without a subscription. Therefore, you can't actually take a break and criticise the game.

What your line of reasoning fails to acknowledge is people posting actively want the game to improve. They want to play it yet have nothing to do because content has no longevity whatsoever.

If you're paying your sub just to complain on the forums then fun fact, you're paying for a less useful twitter. I can't think of a bigger waste of money then keeping a sub going just to use the forum. Again I'll say, submit feedback all you like, but at the end of the day the only real vote you have as a consumer is your wallet. I'm sorry if that's not a useful answer for you.

And you'd have still gotten that Manderville quest because there's no reason its even tied to the relic to begin with. They could have easily made up an excuse for Godbert to talk to you in Radz-at-Han without requiring all of Hildibrand to be completed. It's entirely tacked on purely to give the illustration of lengthily content when, in reality, the supposed "quest centric relic" is one five minute quest before you're off on your way to grind the same chore tomes you were already grinding to begin with. So aveyond actually oversold the relic "content" Endwalker offers with that image.

True, we could have gotten it without it being tied to the relic. And yet I like this relic more because it's tied to it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Why not at least tie it to bicolour gemstones and encourage the open world to become active again? It's honestly jarring to see how empty it is when compared to other MMO's on the market.

I dont care about other MMOs, because they are different, and Im not playing them.
But no, I actually agree with this idea myself. Bring Relevance to the BiColor Gems, which would also bring some activity to the open world as well.

If there is 1 thing Id love them to learn from the forums at this time that they could take into 7.0, it would be to make attempts to make the Open World more Relevant and engaging.
People complain about FATE grinds...but hey, it made people get out there for a while. Same with Bluemage.
I think we could use more of that. Only ever time this is a thing is if they Tie a FATE to a Annual Event. Which is cute, but its 1 and Done and the Open World is barren again.

Sensible Crap like this is why I dont completly write you guys off.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Fun fact, you can't submit feedback or even most on this forum without a subscription. Therefore, you can't actually take a break and criticise the game.

What your line of reasoning fails to acknowledge is people posting actively want the game to improve. They want to play it yet have nothing to do because content has no longevity whatsoever. Case in point, when 6.3 dropped, I finished every major piece of content over the weekend. I then did take a break... and came back after well over a month to basically nothing. Deep Dungeon is fun and all but it can only carry a patch for so long. Ultimate was the only thing I didn't finish but that's a whole different type of content and not really relevant to the criticisms being levied at Endwalker. People shouldn't have to take 3-4 month long breaks because patch content is so dry it can hardly last a week much less twenty.

How stupid, you realize the devs also look in the general feedback of other media outlets besides the forums right? They're not going to just look at what people shout here because you'd be focusing on a single echo chamber. This is an MMO with lots of avenues for expression so you saying that "I have to pay for a sub in order to submit feedback" is just...ridiculous. You can provide feedback anywhere and its very much also effective to do so in a place that garner's a lot of traction if you find the right post/thread or whatever.

And somebody already said it but the most effective form of feedback for game companies is to actually vote with your wallet and stop playing this game if it upsets you so much that its not worth your time anymore. If so many people actually smarten up and do this more often we'd have better games and better practices but people who genuinely complain, complain and complain but still give these companies their money isnt helping anyone but the company.

[Duskane]

Remember what was lost.

bit of an unfair comparison
we still have multiple hair styles(and they work on viera/hrothgar this time),sets,emotes,minions etc etc

Bozja was the only real content we got in Shadow bringer everything else was Crafter content,
while EW we got pvp rework,Island sanc,Criterion dungeon,Eureka Orthos and another ultimate so not like we really "lost" anything it was all just allocated elsewhere.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

bit of an unfair comparison
we still have multiple hair styles(and they work on viera/hrothgar this time),sets,emotes,minions etc etc

Bozja was the only real content we got in Shadow bringer everything else was Crafter content,
while EW we got pvp rework,Island sanc,Criterion dungeon,Eureka Orthos and another ultimate so not like we really "lost" anything it was all just allocated elsewhere.

Very Level-Headed.
Just once again, its the issue of "Im not getting what I WANT", so its bad.
This Expansion was alot of Experimentation that will hopefully get better later. And of course they learn from 6.X and can just Improve in 7.X

[TowaIsBestGirl]

I feel like a lot of people's miracle solution silver bullet is "Just be patient and enjoy what you have, even if its bad now it'll get better when the team returns from FFXVI."

Have any of you considered what comes next if you're wrong? What if it doesn't miraculously return to the original status quo? What if we go down from here, rather than up? What words of consolation will you grace us with then?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I feel like a lot of people's miracle solution silver bullet is "Just be patient and enjoy what you have, even if its bad now it'll get better when the team returns from FFXVI."

Have any of you considered what comes next if you're wrong? What if it doesn't miraculously return to the original status quo? What if we go down from here, rather than up? What words of consolation will you grace us with then?

If I still enjoy the game, I will continue to play it, pay for it, and hang out with my friends in it.
If I dont like it, Ill share my Grievances and hope for changes. And if things don't get better, Ill move on...either via a break, or indefinitely depending how I feel about the situation at the time.

I love this game.
But Im not shackled to it.
Either Im having a good time, and Im playing it
Or Im not, and Ill leave.