Relic News - 6.45

[Absimiliard]

I do stand by the "unsub" advice though. If you're not having fun with a luxury product then you shouldn't continue to pay for it. I really don't understand why so many people seem to be allergic to that simple concept.

Because you and just about everyone else tossing out that tidbit of "advice" on the forums are doing so despite being fully aware that most people willing to criticize the game still have a vested interest in it. In other words, it's an exceedingly disingenuous way of trying to silence criticism from behind the veil of, "well, it's okay to quit if you're not having fun," regardless of whether or not people still have aspects of the game they enjoy. Which, fairly obviously they do if they're still subbed. You can play a product with a significant number of components you no longer enjoy and still find some joy in it.

Some people don't like the direction the game is going, and those people probably will quit once it reaches a point where the things they still enjoy have been taken away from them. Simple as that.

[Stormpeaks]

Because you and just about everyone else tossing out that tidbit of "advice" on the forums are doing so despite being fully aware that most people willing to criticize the game still have a vested interest in it. In other words, it's an exceedingly disingenuous way of trying to silence criticism from behind the veil of, "well, it's okay to quit if you're not having fun," regardless of whether or not people still have aspects of the game they enjoy. Which, fairly obviously they do if they're still subbed. You can play a product with a significant number of components you no longer enjoy and still find some joy in it.

Some people don't like the direction the game is going, and those people probably will quit once it reaches a point where the things they still enjoy have been taken away from them. Simple as that.

This is literally it, I dont know how many time it has to be repeated, you can criticize this game and still like some aspects of it and enjoy some aspects of it, but still want certain things to get better, it aint rocket science

[Xirean]

Because you and just about everyone else tossing out that tidbit of "advice" on the forums are doing so despite being fully aware that most people willing to criticize the game still have a vested interest in it. In other words, it's an exceedingly disingenuous way of trying to silence criticism from behind the veil of, "well, it's okay to quit if you're not having fun," regardless of whether or not people still have aspects of the game they enjoy. Which, fairly obviously they do if they're still subbed. You can play a product with a significant number of components you no longer enjoy and still find some joy in it.

Some people don't like the direction the game is going, and those people probably will quit once it reaches a point where the things they still enjoy have been taken away from them. Simple as that.

I'm well aware that people can find faults in a product and still consume it. That's not a foreign concept. There's plenty of things I could criticize about XIV for example and I have done so in other threads. Content drought is a bit different imo. The people whom I see that receive the response of "take a break"/"unsub" are usually complaining about having nothing to do in the game. If you having nothing to do, what else is there other than taking a break? I've taken multiple breaks because I couldn't find anything that appealed to me at the time. Came back later when I did. If you think I'm trying to silence criticism then you're completely wrong. If you think I'm being disingenuous then you're also completely wrong. I honestly believe taking a break is the best thing to do if you are feeling burnt out or have no activities in the game at the moment. This veil you are referring to feels made up to me.

[Absimiliard]

If only they actually could unsub without becoming homeless and getting back very little of what they put into their house.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

When did I say something about people not being allowed to complain? Submit all the feedback you want. But if you're going to post on a public forum, don't be surprised when people respond.

As for the topic of getting new content, we do. Consistently. It might not be at fast pace but we do get new content. All of it might not be of interest to you which is why my go to suggestion is to play what does appeal to you then when you get bored, take a break. I have no interest in pvp, savage, or ultimates. If one was released that suddenly did appeal to me then I'd be happy and play it, otherwise I ignore it. I'm genuinely not sure of the issue here.

The non-PvP, Savage and Ultimate content we've gotten thus far has been extremely milquetoast and lukewarm at best. Say what you will about Bozja and Eureka, and maybe they're no longer kicking around now as much as they were back then but even still they lasted longer than the likes of Criterion and Variant Dungeons have thus far. Just like those two, once you're finished with Eureka Orthos you're literally done with it. This is what people are criticizing, not the amount of content but the longevity of it.

I can only speak for myself of course, but I understand where some other posters' irritation is coming from. Personally? I don't want to unsub and take a break, I want more to do. The usual advice of forumgoers around here is extremely unhelpful at best, I'm afraid.

Yea of course, anyone can answer because it's going to be a subjective thing. If you just want a grind to do, anyone can come up with a list of stuff for you to chew through (I'd be willing to create one).

I preferred Bozja and Eureka because they came with a story. I'd already experienced Hildibrand, so these relics offer precious little in comparison to Bozja and Eureka insofar as story is concerned. Also, there were cool mounts and glams attached to those zones like Proto-Ozma and the Law's Order sets. Part of the appeal of acquiring those glams and mounts was that I actually had to work towards it as well, finally getting that rad glam I wished for felt like an actual achievement. Not to mention Auracite lore and the Queen was really cool imo.

So, at least for me, I'd very much prefer an irritating grind for Relics due to all the extra bells and whistles that came with. The journey is worth the destination to me, Endwalker's content so far has not managed to capture that same mystique in that regard.

I feel like a lot of players forget that the change in Relic acquisition affects casuals and midcore players just as much as it does the more involved raiders. I'm not a raider, and yet I still developed a fondness for Bozja/CLL/DR and the Eureka zones.

[caffe_macchiato]

I do stand by the "unsub" advice though. If you're not having fun with a luxury product then you shouldn't continue to pay for it.

Fully agreed. More people should consider unsubscribing given that it's our only means of recourse.

As a side note, FFXIV is the only major consumer product that actively encourages people to avoid it. And we all like that, right? I think FFXIV is the anti-consumerist message we all need to hear in 2023. Consume less, spend less. Nowhere else would they allow people to actively campaign against a company's products, but this is FFXIV where that's considered a virtue. Let's hope that Square Enix takes the hint and takes the game offline, effectively making everyone unsubscribe so they can play other games (just like Yoshida wants).

[RyuDragnier]

If only they actually could unsub without becoming homeless and getting back very little of what they put into their house.

Just another reason why Island Sanctuary should be our personal housing. Because with that, this would no longer be a problem.

[Stormpeaks]

Just another reason why Island Sanctuary should be our personal housing. Because with that, this would no longer be a problem.

Sure, make island sanctuary instanced housing and remove auto demo permanently, sounds like a good plan to me, then people will stop trying to ruin housing for us people that do housing as a main activity and love it for what it is, and also want it to keep some sort of uniqueness.

[Absimiliard]

I'mma be real. I might actually play again if they were to get fully functional housing on the Island Sanctuary, simply so I could turn the place into some kind of discount Castlevania subsequent to losing the last bit of interest I had left and departing for the final time.

[RyuDragnier]

Now why would they remove auto demo when IS being instanced housing means that you no longer need the house in the housing ward?

I'mma be real. I might actually play again if they were to get fully functional housing on the Island Sanctuary, simply so I could turn the place into some kind of discount Castlevania subsequent to losing the last bit of interest I had left and departing for the final time.

I'd totally visit your place if you could make it feel like Castlevania.