Relic News - 6.45

[TomsYoungerBro]

I don't think they're giving up. I think they're trying different things to see what gets more players participating.

1500 tomes 3 steps in arow isn't "trying different things". Surely they can see player engagement after 1-2 steps like that...right?

They're probably also trying to keep in mind new players to the game who would like to start their own collections but find the amount of grinding a bit overwhelming.

1500 tomes is a lot still. That grind can be worse than some of the Shb steps...Plus you are pulling those tomes away from those players investing in current crafting, as well as investing in upgrading crafted pieces, or purchasing the previous tome set.

[Jojoya]

1500 tomes 3 steps in arow isn't "trying different things". Surely they can see player engagement after 1-2 steps like that...right?

I wasn't referring to trying different things within this relic series. I was referring to this relic series being different from past relic series.

ARR/HW - grind specified content that already existed in the game for other purposes.
SB - grind only the new exploratory zone
ShB - grind your choice of the new exploratory zone or specified older content
EW - grind content of your choice

So where did they see the most player satisfaction and participation out of those methods for grinding a relic series?

Is there yet something else they can also try?

As for 1500 tomes being a lot, The Hunt says hi. Astronomy can be earned from any expansion's Rank A and S elite marks, it's not limited to Endwalker elite marks. There were some players who regularly attend hunts that were picking up 2-3 relics/upgrades a day.

Forcing players into the decision about using their tomes for crafting or upgrading crafted gear didn't seem bother to anyone. It was not a complaint that I can remember seeing here in the forums at least.

[DixieBellOCE]

I wasn't referring to trying different things within this relic series. I was referring to this relic series being different from past relic series.

ARR/HW - grind specified content that already existed in the game for other purposes.
SB - grind only the new exploratory zone
ShB - grind your choice of the new exploratory zone or specified older content
EW - grind content of your choice

So where did they see the most player satisfaction and participation out of those methods for grinding a relic series?

Is there yet something else they can also try?

As for 1500 tomes being a lot, The Hunt says hi. Astronomy can be earned from any expansion's Rank A and S elite marks, it's not limited to Endwalker elite marks. There were some players who regularly attend hunts that were picking up 2-3 relics/upgrades a day.

Forcing players into the decision about using their tomes for crafting or upgrading crafted gear didn't seem bother to anyone. It was not a complaint that I can remember seeing here in the forums at least.

Honestly, in the long term its Eureka that see's the most replayability amongst the previous relic steps.
Bozja gets some, but Eureka is basically pumping 24/7 on most Datacenters and there are communities built around that specific content.
This is most likely due to Eureka having the better rewards, with glowing armor being relatively easy to obtain along the way.

Nothing else in the game really gets that level of engagement other than raiding.

People will continuously bash eureka in because its a grind, completely forgetting that the relics are optional content and nobody is forced to get them, if you don't like the content, don't do it.

[LianaThorne]

I wasn't referring to trying different things within this relic series. I was referring to this relic series being different from past relic series.

ARR/HW - grind specified content that already existed in the game for other purposes.
SB - grind only the new exploratory zone
ShB - grind your choice of the new exploratory zone or specified older content
EW - grind content of your choice

So where did they see the most player satisfaction and participation out of those methods for grinding a relic series?

Is there yet something else they can also try?

As for 1500 tomes being a lot, The Hunt says hi. Astronomy can be earned from any expansion's Rank A and S elite marks, it's not limited to Endwalker elite marks. There were some players who regularly attend hunts that were picking up 2-3 relics/upgrades a day.

Forcing players into the decision about using their tomes for crafting or upgrading crafted gear didn't seem bother to anyone. It was not a complaint that I can remember seeing here in the forums at least.

I think that's where my disappointment comes in the most, since they're so achievable via hunts. For those who don't care/want to farm out every single relic, you can finish one in a couple hours or so. I just don't find that to be rewarding compared to previous iterations of the relics. It feels like a hand out.