The current state of the "MMORPG" FFXIV is unsustainable. Here's why

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You are an idiot thinking the people who complained before are the same people complaining now.

You know damn well who were the complainers that got us to this point, its not a hard answer.

What so many of you deny is, the game has received changes via playerbase complaints, and its where it got us now and a number of you are happy, some of us feel these changes have gutted out what the rest of us enjoy and place feedback, a lot of you guys just dont like it thats it.

So we can agree complaining does in fact get heard and changes are made to the game, just people do know this just don't want more people knowing about it.

Complaining also got us HW raids, which gutted the raid community and basically killed the raid scene for almost 2 full years.

[raelgun]

Complaining also got us HW raids, which gutted the raid community and basically killed the raid scene for almost 2 full years.

Complaining didnt get there, the developers were convinced the playerbase simply got better to handle it.

A lot of people that did Alexander simply were not raiders to begin with at the time.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Complaining didnt get there, the developers were convinced the playerbase simply got better to handle it.

A lot of people that did Alexander simply were not raiders to begin with at the time.

No, people complained final coil was too easy. So we got gordias.


Most of the more casual groups from the coil days were killed in gordias. Coil areas had a ton of people outside them even late in the tiers. Alexander was starkly different.

[raelgun]

No, people complained final coil was too easy. So we got gordias.

Not really, the amount of people that did coil was tiny.

The amount of non raiders that tried to step into HW raiding got burnt yes, but thats on them as the idea of raid prep and getting better with your class and synergising with other players was something people never thought to do.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Not really, the amount of people that did coil was tiny.

The amount of non raiders that tried to step into HW raiding got burnt yes, but thats on them as the idea of raid prep and getting better with your class and synergising with other players was something people never thought to do.

Tiny? What? Balmung was a raiding server nearly back then lol. A ton of people were doing coil. Most FCs had multiple raid groups.

[raelgun]

Tiny? What? Balmung was a raiding server nearly back then lol. A ton of people were doing coil. Most FCs had multiple raid groups.

Heres the thing thats important for you to understand, people were trying to raid, but werent raiders at all.

Even now, the amount of people that backlash over raid prep, getting gear outside raids, getting food buffs, potions and practicing their classes to fine tune it more is minimal, not only that people dont do anythign to their UIs to fine tune that either.

The amount of people that try to practice their jobs/classes and UI middle of raiding is way too much.

This is the issue, its the non raiders trying it, just because a lot of people who are non raiders did little to no raid prep was the biggest issue, its still an issue today.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Heres the thing thats important for you to understand, people were trying to raid, but werent raiders at all.

Even now, the amount of people that backlash over raid prep, getting gear outside raids, getting food buffs, potions and practicing their classes to fine tune it more is minimal, not only that people dont do anythign to their UIs to fine tune that either.

The amount of people that try to practice their jobs/classes and UI middle of raiding is way too much.

This is the issue, its the non raiders trying it, just because a lot of people who are non raiders did little to no raid prep was the biggest issue, its still an issue today.

No one was complaining about raid prep back in coil. We were just doing the content. And what do you mean non raiders were doing raid content.... That makes them raiders lol.....



I was casual as hell back then and I still completed all of the coils.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Not really, the amount of people that did coil was tiny.

The amount of non raiders that tried to step into HW raiding got burnt yes, but thats on them as the idea of raid prep and getting better with your class and synergising with other players was something people never thought to do.

Ah yes, the HW raids that even the developers admitted they overtuned, but it was the players' fault for not being good enough.

[raelgun]

Ah yes, the HW raids that even the developers admitted they overtuned, but it was the players' fault for not being good enough.

Overtuned for non raiders yes, that is the issue.

And yes it was players not being good enough considering people still cleared it.

The raid was tuned under the premise people got better at the game.

There was still too many people who actually struggled playing the job changes in HW, never mind the content it self.

[Tint]

No, people complained final coil was too easy. So we got gordias.


Most of the more casual groups from the coil days were killed in gordias. Coil areas had a ton of people outside them even late in the tiers. Alexander was starkly different.

We also got the story mode for the raids at the same time, so for many people there was not much point in putting in the effort for the harder version anymore, especially since Gordias was overtuned.

But this is a story for "why people avoid getting better at the game".

But this normal mode is relevant for this topic as well: The rewards of normal mode are simply not goot enough, so why bother playing it?

This is a problem with the game as a whole: The tomestone gear is so good that it makes basically any other content except savage dead on arrival. Why bother getting normal mode raid gear? Why bother getting 24 man raid gear? Why bother getting the deep dungeon weapon?
Why bother getting the gear from Bozja when that was a thing back in ShB?