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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    If they scramble to put something like that in just a year, all you would get is a broken/half-finished/ill-designed instance that would od more harm then good.
    You load this with speculation. And even if it did come with bugs we'd report them and work it out. God knows it's not like we haven't before. Exceptional times require exceptional attention. The massive population boom was pretty exceptional. I do agree with you things are decided in advance, when its business as usual.

    You speak like someone who's been working at a job for 20 years and have grown so complacent that even if the opportunity of a lifetime for your company shows up you couldn't be bothered to lift an extra finger to see if it'll work out.

    "Eh" its fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    You load this with speculation. And even if it did come with bugs we'd report them and work it out. God knows it's not like we haven't before. Exceptional times require exceptional attention. The massive population boom was pretty exceptional. I do agree with you things are decided in advance, when its business as usual.
    Like I said, spoken like someone who don't understand software development work. The only way your previous post would make sense is if you can go back in time to maybe 2018 and tell Yoshi all the event that transpired in 2022, if his teams didn't adapt, then yeah you have a point. Btw, you can also inform them about COVID and shortage of chip/server in 2021 as well, so they could pre-order all the necessary hardware to full capitalize it as well, instead of having us waiting half a day to log in at the launch of 7.0. So, did you go back in time?

    It's always so easy to speak candidly and giving sage advise with the benefit of hindsight, isn't it?




    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    You speak like someone who's been working at a job for 20 years and have grown so complacent that even if the opportunity of a lifetime for your company shows up you couldn't be bothered to lift an extra finger to see if it'll work out.
    I speak like someone who actually worked in software-development. And no, I'm not old enough to have 20 years working experience yet. But I worked long enough to understand why there is a reason "content lockdown" is a sacred concept in a development cycle that they taught you in school, and upheld by every good project manager. Almost every time I see a shit shown happen, it's because a team do not give this principal its deserve respect.

    No content developer will appreciate a manger one day knock down the door and say "I want you to drop everything you're doing and focusing on making something we never planned for and get it out ASAP!". Sometime, there is something you can not just buy or do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    Like I said, spoken like someone who don't understand software development work. The only way your previous post would make sense is if you can go back in time to maybe 2018 and tell Yoshi all the event that transpired in 2022, if his teams didn't adapt, then yeah you have a point. Btw, you can also inform them about COVID and shortage of chip/server in 2021 as well, so they could pre-order all the necessary hardware to full capitalize it as well, instead of having us waiting half a day to log in at the launch of 7.0. So, did you go back in time?

    It's always so easy to speak candidly and giving sage advise with the benefit of hindsight, isn't it?

    I speak like someone who actually worked in software-development. And no, I'm not old enough to have 20 years working experience yet. But I worked long enough to understand why there is a reason "content lockdown" is a sacred concept in a development cycle that they taught you in school, and upheld by every good project manager. Almost every time I see a shit shown happen, it's because a team do not give this principal its deserve respect.

    No content developer will appreciate a manger one day knock down the door and say "I want you to drop everything you're doing and focusing on making something we never planned for and get it out ASAP!". Sometime, there is something you can not just buy or do.
    Sounds like 1.0 disaster to ARR to me. And I guess they did do it.

    Honestly I don't care where or when actions happen if my comments are taken into account. So per your own admission "The only way your previous post would make sense is if you can go back in time to maybe 2018 and tell Yoshi all the event that transpired in 2022" The post makes sense right now because I am telling him how I feel right now, the events that are transpiring in 2023, and I know a lot of people feel the same way. So that even if its 2 years down the line or whatever hopefully they don't repeat the same mistakes. And the opportunity they have.

    But I guess if your mission here is to explain away everything and dismiss people's feelings you do a great job. The level of condescension you have for others here as well is something else so if you don't care about anyone the only guess I have is that you want attention about how much of a genius you are because you can rationalize why they don't do anything. That doesn't mean anything to me, nor does it make the situation better. The devs also know what they're doing and why, so you explaining what they may or may not be going through doesn't help them either because they know their situation better than you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    I speak like someone who actually worked in software-development.

    So cringe. Nobody cares about their restrictions in their dev cycle, because at the end of the day - If a game doesn't have what a player wants, then they move on.

    If a business is unable to stay limber to market movements, then they die.

    This is exactly what players complain about today - XIV's inability to react to movements and needs like most Live Service games to date. They almost never update their content, we're basically just now seeing them doing something for decade old rotten ARR.

    Their cycle is more like a single player game than an actual MMO in this market. It's pretty sad.
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    Last edited by R041; 03-20-2023 at 06:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R041 View Post
    So cringe. Nobody cares about their restrictions in their dev cycle, because at the end of the day - If a game doesn't have what a player wants, then they move on.
    And yet so many are still here.

    Oh, wait, I've seen this before, it's because only the people who complain about how the game is terrible and dying actually care about it, and the people who talk about the things they actually enjoy doing in the game or dare to contradict the naysayers are just white knights to be dismissed and derided. Because clearly us armchair devs on the forums know better than the actual devs who work on the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R041 View Post
    So cringe. Nobody cares about their restrictions in their dev cycle, because at the end of the day - If a game doesn't have what a player wants, then they move on.

    If a business is unable to stay limber to market movements, then they die.

    This is exactly what players complain about today - XIV's inability to react to movements and needs like most Live Service games to date. They almost never update their content, we're basically just now seeing them doing something for decade old rotten ARR.

    Their cycle is more like a single player game than an actual MMO in this market. It's pretty sad.
    I see you've reverted to Standard Operating Procedure here. Dimiss the fact that someone works in software development as "cringe". Reiterate because "nobody cares". Finalize with "they move on".

    Then bring out the absolutely stupidest statement ever made about business "unable to stay limber to market movements, then they die". Without any actual examples for this statement, you have written off entire industries with your overall generalization about 'business' without the slightest clue beyond what you may or may not have heard on the Internet.

    Then move on to the non sequitur "XIV's inability to react", as if a game that was founded 10 years ago has to have the latest fad in what you call Live Service games. Follow that with the bold (and false) "They almost never update their content", when you actually meant "they almost never change what's selling for them because I said the game needed it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
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    Double cringe.

    Going back to Diablo 4. Peace. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by R041 View Post
    Double cringe.

    Going back to Diablo 4. Peace. lol
    You, sir, are a coward and a cad.
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