Alliance Raids and players not waiting for Cutscene Watchers

[Kolaina]

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“Im new” to me only means “sorry if I screw up, die or don’t dps enough” not “I’d like to watch the cutscene AND experience the first mechanic or 2 that will repeat throughout the encounter”. But we interpret things in different ways.

I get the whole “it’s polite to wait” argument. But like anything else, there’s another perspective. Mine being, they are 1 person taking the time of potentially 23 others. Truly neither are wrong. You just happen to disagree with the perspective opposed to yours.

Honestly I’ve never watched a cutscene. Not 1. So yeah, I don’t have any appreciation for the story. But people play for different reasons. Sometimes those reasons clash.

What people need to understand, imo, no one player is more important than any other player. That includes the new player. I know it’s selfish, but as I said already, I play this game for myself. I’m the only player that matters in this game to me. I’ll meet people halfway though. I’ve never, not once, pulled when someone asked politely. I give respect when others give it. I’ll pass on loot if otherwise just turn in for seals if someone asks politely. Not just a “I need the gloves”.

What I will never give in to. Never bow to. Hostility. I will not ever be convinced my early pulling is wrong when berated with threats and insults. No where in any of that dialogue I am receiving will I be convinced theirs is the good argument

[Cheremia]

“Im new” to me only means “sorry if I screw up, die or don’t dps enough” not “I’d like to watch the cutscene AND experience the first mechanic or 2 that will repeat throughout the encounter”. But we interpret things in different ways.

I get the whole “it’s polite to wait” argument. But like anything else, there’s another perspective. Mine being, they are 1 person taking the time of potentially 23 others. Truly neither are wrong. You just happen to disagree with the perspective opposed to yours.

Honestly I’ve never watched a cutscene. Not 1. So yeah, I don’t have any appreciation for the story. But people play for different reasons. Sometimes those reasons clash.

What people need to understand, imo, no one player is more important than any other player. That includes the new player. I know it’s selfish, but as I said already, I play this game for myself. I’m the only player that matters in this game to me. I’ll meet people halfway though. I’ve never, not once, pulled when someone asked politely. I give respect when others give it. I’ll pass on loot if otherwise just turn in for seals if someone asks politely. Not just a “I need the gloves”.

What I will never give in to. Never bow to. Hostility. I will not ever be convinced my early pulling is wrong when berated with threats and insults. No where in any of that dialogue I am receiving will I be convinced theirs is the good argument

May I ask how you 100% know that it only means that and nothing else?
I'm not trying to argue, i'm just... really curious how that means only that. I just want to know THAT part.

Like, of course it means THAT too, because new, you dont know the mechanics. Me looking at poor new people getting roasted by every mechanic is really funny too... sorry.

Problem is also that some people "can't" write.
Be it anxiety or PS5. I know, i know, JUST buy keyboard, just do this, just do that (basically telling others what to do while also condemning others that say what to do, which i find funny... not you tho)
Or whatever reasons, but PS5 seems the most reasonable to why people can't write.

Insulting early pullers goes way too far too, it's just.. i'm a bit miffed if people even say so by themself and others just like "haha but actually no"
Asts prepulling is just funny because it's like they forget it auto explodes. Sparkly bomb has been deployed.

At least you dont need to throw... whatever others did at me, since oh no, different opinion and i like actually discussing the different sides and ask questions.
May make me look like a Karen but i'm just chilling over here, actually interested in this so i write, otherwise i wouldn't.

[Kolaina]

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I don’t know thats what it means. As you don’t know they mean your interpretation of it. We both just assume. As i already stated, we interpret it in different ways.

To clarify about asking to watch cutscene and this goes for the devils advocate guy i believe touched on this; i have never, not once, pulled when someone asked politely. I do not know if the person who said anything is the new person or not. I have once seen someone say they are new and wanting to see the cutscene. Only one. But every time, literally every time there has been a new person, someone says “cutscene” or some variation of it. Someone always says something. It’s how its said that determines how i react. A single word, “cutscene”, i think, “yeah, and?”. “We have new people”, “ok, maybe they don’t care. Not like I’m stopping their cutscene”. “Wait for cutscenes please” is a simple response that holds me back. Doesn’t matter who said it. I’ll wait

Some people in this thread also need to remember, those who said about the icon above the viewers head. They are not in my alliance, I don’t see them. I’m not spinning my camera looking for them as they may not even be close enough to see.

People here speak of being polite. Say please. You’ll get a lot more of what youre calling for, from me anyways. I’m not your dog. I don’t take commands

[Saraide]

I don’t know thats what it means. As you don’t know they mean your interpretation of it. We both just assume. As i already stated, we interpret it in different ways.

To clarify about asking to watch cutscene and this goes for the devils advocate guy i believe touched on this; i have never, not once, pulled when someone asked politely. I do not know if the person who said anything is the new person or not. I have once seen someone say they are new and wanting to see the cutscene. Only one. But every time, literally every time there has been a new person, someone says “cutscene” or some variation of it. Someone always says something. It’s how its said that determines how i react. A single word, “cutscene”, i think, “yeah, and?”. “We have new people”, “ok, maybe they don’t care. Not like I’m stopping their cutscene”. “Wait for cutscenes please” is a simple response that holds me back. Doesn’t matter who said it. I’ll wait

Some people in this thread also need to remember, those who said about the icon above the viewers head. They are not in my alliance, I don’t see them. I’m not spinning my camera looking for them as they may not even be close enough to see.

People here speak of being polite. Say please. You’ll get a lot more of what youre calling for, from me anyways. I’m not your dog. I don’t take commands

I get the impression that some people in this thread are really looking for is slaves, not fellow players.

[Cheremia]

I don’t know thats what it means. As you don’t know they mean your interpretation of it. We both just assume. As i already stated, we interpret it in different ways.

To clarify about asking to watch cutscene and this goes for the devils advocate guy i believe touched on this; i have never, not once, pulled when someone asked politely. I do not know if the person who said anything is the new person or not. I have once seen someone say they are new and wanting to see the cutscene. Only one. But every time, literally every time there has been a new person, someone says “cutscene” or some variation of it. Someone always says something. It’s how its said that determines how i react. A single word, “cutscene”, i think, “yeah, and?”. “We have new people”, “ok, maybe they don’t care. Not like I’m stopping their cutscene”. “Wait for cutscenes please” is a simple response that holds me back. Doesn’t matter who said it. I’ll wait

Some people in this thread also need to remember, those who said about the icon above the viewers head. They are not in my alliance, I don’t see them. I’m not spinning my camera looking for them as they may not even be close enough to see.

People here speak of being polite. Say please. You’ll get a lot more of what youre calling for, from me anyways. I’m not your dog. I don’t take commands

Agreed we do, thats why i wanted to know!
It can mean many things, some people just parrot it anyways because they've seen many people do it as a general code to show you are new because people dont see it otherwise i guess.

The ring usually stays way longer with somebody in cutscenes, juuust saying!
And usually say "we have new people" similar things because people usually run too fast that i barely get to write much. Might have to rethink that, you are NOT wrong.

And i'm not accusing you, you made very clear that you'd like if people just ask better (depends on how much time they have, things in dungeons can be really fast and raids sometimes too, not disagreeing with you tho).
But others still wouldnt care and that DOES kind of suck if you can be as nice as can be and get told off.
And some just can't write in the few seconds they have time until everybody goes because controller typing sucks and they dont have mechanical keyboard for their console for... sort of obvious reason.

But again, i bring this up again... got called toxic raider because i told people to pay attention after 3 wipes in TGC the nice way. One can never know, some don't care at all.

We sort of agree in ways but agree to disagree. At least you dont go to... whatever some people wrote as response to me (amuses me a lot). Thanks for that lol

I get the impression that some people in this thread are really looking for is slaves, not fellow players.

Eh, it just depends, they just want a please rather than just a word or two. As long as they don't go "well you said "cutscenes please" which isnt polite enough for me so i don't care!!" theres no issue with wanting a please.
If you dont mean it like that, sorry for misunderstanding.

[Saraide]

Agreed we do, thats why i wanted to know!
It can mean many things, some people just parrot it anyways because they've seen many people do it as a general code to show you are new because people dont see it otherwise i guess.

The ring usually stays way longer with somebody in cutscenes, juuust saying!
And usually say "we have new people" similar things because people usually run too fast that i barely get to write much. Might have to rethink that, you are NOT wrong.

And i'm not accusing you, you made very clear that you'd like if people just ask better (depends on how much time they have, things in dungeons can be really fast and raids sometimes too, not disagreeing with you tho).
But others still wouldnt care and that DOES kind of suck if you can be as nice as can be and get told off.
And some just can't write in the few seconds they have time until everybody goes because controller typing sucks and they dont have mechanical keyboard for their console for... sort of obvious reason.

But again, i bring this up again... got called toxic raider because i told people to pay attention after 3 wipes in TGC the nice way. One can never know, some don't care at all.

We sort of agree in ways but agree to disagree. At least you dont go to... whatever some people wrote as response to me (amuses me a lot). Thanks for that lol



Eh, it just depends, they just want a please rather than just a word or two. As long as they don't go "well you said "cutscenes please" which isnt polite enough for me so i don't care!!" theres no issue with wanting a please.
If you dont mean it like that, sorry for misunderstanding.

Yea I think you misunderstood, I agree with the person I responded to. A few other people in this thread feel more like they want slaves instead of players when they come out guns blazing with demands that everyone pretends any and all cutscenes are unskippable.

[Cheremia]

Yea I think you misunderstood, I agree with the person I responded to. A few other people in this thread feel more like they want slaves instead of players when they come out guns blazing with demands that everyone pretends any and all cutscenes are unskippable.

Ah, i hope i don't come across like that because that's not what i want either lol.

I mean i do sound sort of extreme sometimes so thats understandable, but a discussion does need two sides.
Some sound like they don't... give a shit about others because they dont even have time to actually play and want to do long content without time. Not like that but taken to the extreme. Especially funny are the cases where people go "you dont know their circumstances in whicht hey rush!" as if that doesnt go for the other side that doesn't write and demand them to buy extra stuff just to write.

And i may come across as "save all these new children oh no oh woe, poor babies".

So.. yeah i can see that.
I'm just curious and like to... "contend" stuff. Not in a hostile way, but a discussion that interests me with many people with sort of similar "just go" mentalities means a lot of different insight in different thoughts that i can question to why it is like it is. Overly curious one could call it. Definitely call it that.

But i legit dont understand the extremely overdone responses to me because they seem to just want me to react in the same overdone overdramatic way to be like "haha you're also just pretending to be nice" or something, hmm.

[Kolaina]

But again, i bring this up again... got called toxic raider because i told people to pay attention after 3 wipes in TGC the nice way. One can never know, some don't care at all.

Oh i feel you on that one. Got kicked from a nier raid for simply saying “dodge plz” to a ninja who stood in every telegraphed marker on the floor. Was told i was being toxic and an elitist. It’s just how some people are when they feel they are in the spot light in a negative way or you are suggesting they may not be so great. 2 words, typed on a controller while healing and handling mechanics, got me kicked for being toxic

[AbysmalDuck]

Oh i feel you on that one. Got kicked from a nier raid for simply saying “dodge plz” to a ninja who stood in every telegraphed marker on the floor. Was told i was being toxic and an elitist. It’s just how some people are when they feel they are in the spot light in a negative way or you are suggesting they may not be so great. 2 words, typed on a controller while healing and handling mechanics, got me kicked for being toxic

And the truth comes out. That one person by themselves didn't get you kicked, so there is either more to the story or enough people felt like "People here speak of being polite. Say please. You’ll get a lot more of what youre calling for, from me anyways. I’m not your dog. I don’t take commands".

[Kolaina]

And the truth comes out. That one person by themselves didn't get you kicked, so there is either more to the story or enough people felt like "People here speak of being polite. Say please. You’ll get a lot more of what youre calling for, from me anyways. I’m not your dog. I don’t take commands".

What truth came out that you are using in an attempt to instigate? That 1 person was with his friends. They made that clear. Oh well. I don’t see how you quoting me has any validation here. I said plz to them. They decided to kick. What you quoted is that i say a please to me goes a lot further than a demand. Just logging in to pick more fights today?