Alliance Raids and players not waiting for Cutscene Watchers

[Cheremia]

Technology continues to advance and I look forward to the day that they somehow manage to accomplish this. I would welcome the opportunity to practice more difficult alliance raid mechanics from later raids without being a hindrance to real players in duty finder, since I can only get so much out of a guide vs practicing myself.

Nobody will care if you're not perfect after your first time running it. Or the second... or third.
As said, that one mechanic on red girl took me over 10 runs to actually understand. I knew what to do but my brain was overloaded by all the stuff going on at the same time. Cant handle that well even if it's an really easy mechanic.

Dying does not matter.
Dying multiple times does not matter. Except to some people i guess.

And also here, like the "I'm new" thing, you can just say that you dont know mechanics that well yet.
Just because you are not new new, doesn't mean you have figured it all out yet.

I go by learning by dying myself, show me something 100% step by step and i still will not really get it until i see it myself.

If people are new and/or older people are struggling in raids, i put a triangle on myself and try not to greed as many mechanics.

[VelKallor]

If the time it takes is such a small deal for people to wait, then it also has to be a small deal for people to miss that portion of the fight. You cant have it both ways here.

Im also going to remind you that the Tower is now part of the MSQ so there WILL be a lot of new players going through.

So the solution is simple : Sit, wait and let them see the cutscenes in full before pulling.

BTW it isnt MY solution, I am predicting that if this becomes an issue, thats exactly what WILL happen.

THAT is why Prae is now unskippable, because players were abusing others for wanting to see the cutscenes, puling early. Prae is unskippable owing to the mentality "they can watch it later"

You and I know why CT content is important, and that the story aspect of CT is there for good reason.

The devs design , their intent , is for players to see it and experience in the instance.

Not later.

[Thaciscokidd]

It is usually a lot more than one person, and even if it IS just one, whats the hurry? Whats the rush? Wheres the fire? Got a date? Why are you in such a hurry? Why is waiting a few minutes for people to enjoy cutscenes such a big problem for you?

The fact you dont care for the needs or wants of the other 23 people in that instance says a lot. This game is not just about what YOU want.

I agree with OP with the fact that lately more and more people are just bum rushing alliance raids and its kinda disheartening. Its not like in 4 man content where its more intimate and besides 2 ARR dungeons its the boss saying "Hi I'm bad and im gonna fight you."

These two quotes kinda pulled me from the sidelines of this because yes it would be nice for everyone to wait(and sometimes they do more so on the last two of the Nier raids), but you don't know what situation the other 23 players are coming from. Are they a kid trying to squeeze in that last roulette before there play time is done, or a single parent trying to play a little bit before they have to start the day, or that worker who just did a 12h shift playing to wind down a bit before bed and having to do it all over again.

Basic courtesy is a nice thing to say in a bubble, but true enough its not about one person. The more you add to a situation, the more people you need to take in consideration. Wether they be brand new or have played nonstop since 1.0

[Baxcel]

It is usually a lot more than one person, and even if it IS just one, whats the hurry? Whats the rush? Wheres the fire? Got a date? Why are you in such a hurry? Why is waiting a few minutes for people to enjoy cutscenes such a big problem for you?



The fact you dont care for the needs or wants of the other 23 people in that instance says a lot. This game is not just about what YOU want.



Trust wont work for 24 mans and you know that.

Dude you should give up talking to her.. she a awful person with a bad attitude when it comes to new players and she won't change.. she's also one of those people who happily admits to ilvl cheesing people into only getting crystal tower. She's only after rewards and items for herself an screw anyone else.

[Ardeth]

Why is not being an a-hole a debatable topic?

Wait for the newbies. And if you don't want to make your own party with your own parameters. It's not rocket surgery. Heck it's not even brain science.

[Cheremia]

Why is not being an a-hole a debatable topic?

Wait for the newbies. And if you don't want to make your own party with your own parameters. It's not rocket surgery. Heck it's not even brain science.

Could be some sort of physical sorcery tho? Magical excercise...

[Anvaire]

Ah yes, telling someone not to play. How valiant and virtuous of you. Those who don’t wait for cutscenes don’t tell people not to play and don’t get mad when the person doesn’t skip them. They are still welcome to their cutscene. But those who want to make the most of their time, simply shouldn’t play

Honestly its 1-2 extra minutes, so i really dont understand why its such a big deal to wait. If someone wants it over that quickly, says to me they dont enjoy the content. As i said my Personal opinion is that if you despise it that much, then dont que the content. You can twist what i put out of context if you want, but that doesnt make it the point i was making. The point is that 1-2 extra minutes doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

[SaberMaxwell]

BTW it isnt MY solution, I am predicting that if this becomes an issue, thats exactly what WILL happen.

Honestly dude, I hope they do. I hope they hard-lock players to every single cutscene in the game. Every. Single. One. The cutscenes are the most important part of the experience, after all, so every player should have the joy of watching it every single time. I want Diabolos' entrance committed to memory; I want to have every detail of Ultima's model burned into my mind; I want every player in this game to be able to close their eyes and see the entrance cinematic for the pork fairy boss play out in real time.

Until such time that they do, I will happily tell cutscene players to just enjoy the cutscene because chances are they're going to fight this boss many times in the future and they're not missing much in the 15 seconds it takes Phlegethacheron to come in and say hello. I won't be the one to pull the boss, and if the group does decide to wait I have no qualms about that either, but just the same I'll have no shame attacking if it does get pulled.

[Payadopa]

I mean, you get compensation for a reason. Why get one if you don't... y'know... compromise? In-game people pretty much always wait, so this is a non-issue.

[Aurora_Sylphy]

I assure you were we in a 4 man, which is the scenario you mentioned, and I am the tank, and you pull as a dps, nobody is going to defend you, nobody is going to be mad at me for letting you die. I'm also sure nobody would oppose if I initiated a vote-kick which odds are I would. To suggest you, knowingly, doing something toxic, being responded to predictably, then painting the people you were toxic towards as the bad guys and suggesting they be banned (and I have seen you in other threads on this topic suggest cutscene watchers are breaking TOS for watching cutscenes after you pulled without warning or consent (and not even as the tank) because they were too busy watching a cutscene to help). This is the literal definition of being passive aggressive, I'd go further and argue this is just straight up anti-social behavior.

As much as you disagree with a mindset like that of Averyond Dreams can feel, it is indeed against TOS to do that. While the TOS is very flexible in terms of playing style, that is technically according to the TOS, there is nothing wrong with a healer not dps at all, or a player single targeting in a mob pack is considered a play style difference (as weird as that might sound) and thus is not against TOS, and forcing them to play otherwise is technically part of the TOS and someone could (if someone was feeling petty) ban someone who wasn't the using the kindest or most polite language for helping because it hurt someone's ego.

On the other hand anything that is deemed 'aiding the enemy' is against TOS, and the TOS even highlights the idea of letting someone die because you don't like something they do or said is against TOS and is a ban able offense, so letting someone die for pulling earlier is a TOS violation and a ban able offence if someone (or enough people) report it. Playing your job terribly, refusing to use AOE in AOE packs, not dps as a healer, all playstyle differences, but not doing your role intentionally (that is a healer not healing, tank not maintaining aggro on mobs, dps not even attacking a single mob and afking are all things teemed as aiding the enemy. MPK and similar things also fall under this. Now I think any GM worth their salt would take context into account, but when dealing with mass reports I would not blame them for defaulting to 'against TOS; hit ban, not against TOS, do nothing. Now by the same TOS talking about good player etiquette and that pulling before everyone is ready could technically be stretched to be given the idea of aiding the enemy, (i.e a wipe beasue of not having a healer or something) is also probably reportable, and so it really would be up to a GM to ban one, ban the other, ban both players or just ignore it as a relatively harmless scuffle. Also this is entirely reliant on someone actually reporting either incident tbf. But since it take just one report, if you were in a 4 man with Aveyond Dreams and the other three reported her and she reported you (if you were tanking and did a 'you pull, you tank' thing letting them die), you may both just end up with a ban/warning as painful as that sounds.