Alliance Raids and players not waiting for Cutscene Watchers

[Denji]

I don't think a 24-man Trust would work, if they managed to make it 8 or 4 man for Trusts specifically it could be fine but they'd have to redesign the entire Alliance raids content which is designed around 3 groups of 8 people so I don't think it could be done realistically.

i mean, i think it's feasible. every boss in the crystal tower raids have mechanics that never deviate. never change. there wouldn't need to be any thought behind the actions of the NPCs and a simple echo buff could alleviate any issues that might result from them being brainless and simply following a script.

[Tlamila]

Well, I was gonna say it might be because the puller is from another group and didn't notice somebody was in a cutscene, but some answers here made me realize that it's just because people are jerks.
1-2 minutes of your time won't change your life, if you can't wait a few minutes you have some serious patience problems. Even waiting for everybody to loot at the end of an alliance raid takes longer than waiting for someone to watch a cutscene. If you can't even wait that long,y ou shouldn't queue for alliance raids (which can take up to 1h) to begin with.

I'm sorry OP you had this experience. Nobody should be asked to skip cutscenes or miss part of a fight ever, especially in a game where you can't skip story because, they say, story is the most important part of the game. Ironic, isn't it?
I've actually always seen people say in alliance "wait before pulling, we got someone who's watching cutscene" and people actually wait. That's usually more when raids are new, but tbh considering how many first timers I see now in Nier raids and the likes it should be the same.

[Saraide]

Well, I was gonna say it might be because the puller is from another group and didn't notice somebody was in a cutscene, but some answers here made me realize that it's just because people are jerks.
1-2 minutes of your time won't change your life, if you can't wait a few minutes you have some serious patience problems. Even waiting for everybody to loot at the end of an alliance raid takes longer than waiting for someone to watch a cutscene. If you can't even wait that long,y ou shouldn't queue for alliance raids (which can take up to 1h) to begin with.

I'm sorry OP you had this experience. Nobody should be asked to skip cutscenes or miss part of a fight ever, especially in a game where you can't skip story because, they say, story is the most important part of the game. Ironic, isn't it?
I've actually always seen people say in alliance "wait before pulling, we got someone who's watching cutscene" and people actually wait. That's usually more when raids are new, but tbh considering how many first timers I see now in Nier raids and the likes it should be the same.

If it's such a small deal for others to wait, why is it a such a big deal for you to join in the fight after the cutscene is over? It cant be both.

[TaleraRistain]

I've actually seen the opposite. Maybe less in CT unless there's a significant number but I'm seeing a lot of "Hey, cutscenes?" and people are like "Yep, cutscenes" so we just try to sync our bee's knees dances until everyone's ready.

[Teena]

I was in Syrcus Tower earlier and a new person said 'wait please!' while they watched the cutscene. And everyone did - it was nice, it didn't take very long and the sprout said thankyou.

It did bring something up though, while we waited someone said 'there's a cutscene here?' - people have the option to autoskip after they've seen it once and this guy had completely forgotten it even existed which does make you wonder how many other people charge in just because it's autoskipped and they've not paid attention to what the rest of their party is doing because they're not *expecting* them to not be charging in with them.

[Teno]

1 person doesn't get to hold up 23 other people in Crystal Tower, same applies for other raids that are years old. You can watch the cutscene and remain invulnerable as long as you do not exit out early, and aren't missing much in later raids because the last actual pre-final boss cutscene is an unskipable transition.

Puppet's Bunker is already a long headache of a raid so I cannot blame anyone who pulls the last boss early, seeing as by that point everyone is desperate to just get out of there.

You must be a bad player magnet to see people desperate to get out of an alliance raid, especially puppets' bunker. Exaggerating much.

[Denji]

I was in Syrcus Tower earlier and a new person said 'wait please!' while they watched the cutscene. And everyone did - it was nice, it didn't take very long and the sprout said thankyou.

It did bring something up though, while we waited someone said 'there's a cutscene here?' - people have the option to autoskip after they've seen it once and this guy had completely forgotten it even existed which does make you wonder how many other people charge in just because it's autoskipped and they've not paid attention to what the rest of their party is doing because they're not *expecting* them to not be charging in with them.

might vary based on data centre because i've found people to be very patient on aether, yet primal is filled with people who constantly try and rush things. even in 4-man content and i'm a healer or a tank running it for the first time, someone will pull the last boss while i'm mid-cutscene while allcaps-ing GO GO GO GO GO and then try and get angry at me for letting them die.

[TaleraRistain]

That's the logical conclusion from this. Are we going to have this problem with the new Alliance raids coming soon and people who don't even care about the story at all just auto-pull on day 1? Because that's going to happen. 100% guaranteed.

Yep, they're gonna do that. Just watch your cutscene. I'm a healer main. People do this in NM raids or 24 mans or dungeons when I do them on launch day after I get home from work when they've been running them all day. And it's not a WoW influx thing. Happened for years. I just watch my cutscenes and if they die, they die.

[SnowVix]

1 person doesn't get to hold up 23 other people in Crystal Tower, same applies for other raids that are years old. You can watch the cutscene and remain invulnerable as long as you do not exit out early, and aren't missing much in later raids because the last actual pre-final boss cutscene is an unskipable transition.

Puppet's Bunker is already a long headache of a raid so I cannot blame anyone who pulls the last boss early, seeing as by that point everyone is desperate to just get out of there.

considering the devs fell firmly on the side of cutscene watchers over skippers when they last redid Castrum & Praetorium to make their cutscenes unskippable, i can pretty safely say you're wrong.

[Tlamila]

If it's such a small deal for others to wait, why is it a such a big deal for you to join in the fight after the cutscene is over? It cant be both.

Because the newbie who joins the fight halfway will misss half of the fight. What are you missing in thos 2 mins of waiting? It's not like you're chained there unable to move or loss elsewhere until you start the fight, you know.
Also, you only get a first run once ever.

I never had a problem waiting, good time to check for messages and stuff too. I also don't have a tickling timebomb attached to me that explodes if I pause a minute, but that mgith be just me.