DPS who pull mobs

[Mirhd]

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I know what you meant, which is why I quoted that other person again, and all you responded with was what you're been saying all along. The person in the qoute mentioned a tank was pulling smaller, it wasn't "just" the tank or "just" the healer.

Again, did you read any of that? You keep saying "majority", but your "majority" seems to revolve around what the dps want, regardless of how you dress it. I literally just said if the tank/healer (which can be either, or, or both) want a calmer pace and I (also as dps), don't care either way, that's the majority right there. If you, as the odd dps out, insist on going fast? Guess what, You're not the majority, and you can either take what roulette gave you, or eat a penalty. W2W pulls are something a portion of NA decided was expected, it isn't a basic requirement, whatever anyone on this forum tells themselves.

If the opposite is true and only one person wants to go at a calmer pace, they can make a request, and there's nothing wrong with that. The polite thing to do would be to acquiesce said request (though given the "ME ME ME" attitude on this forum...), but if they don't, then the person in that scenario can stick around or leave. I'd probably also leave with them though just on principle.

At the end of the day, roulette is roulette. If someone wants to go slower, deal with it.

[Alaray]

I know what you meant, which is why I quoted that other person again, and all you responded with was what you're been saying all along. The person in the qoute mentioned a tank was pulling smaller, it wasn't "just" the tank or "just" the healer.

Again, did you read any of that? You keep saying "majority", but your "majority" seems to revolve around what the dps want, regardless of how you dress it. I literally just said if the tank/healer (which can be either, or, or both) want a calmer pace and I (also as dps), don't care either way, that's the majority right there. If you, as the odd dps out, insist on going fast? Guess what, You're not the majority, and you can either take what roulette gave you, or eat a penalty. W2W pulls are something a portion of NA decided was expected, it isn't a basic requirement, whatever anyone on this forum tells themselves.

If the opposite is true and only one person wants to go at a calmer pace, they can make a request, and there's nothing wrong with that. The polite thing to do would be to acquiesce said request (though given the "ME ME ME" attitude on this forum...), but if they don't, then the person in that scenario can stick around or leave. I'd probably also leave with them though just on principle.

At the end of the day, roulette is roulette. If someone wants to go slower, deal with it.

You do you if the group is cool with it.


But, if specifically speaking about endgame dungeons, the reason wall-to-wall pulls are considered standard is because it takes genuine effort to die doing them. To most people there's little reason not to do it, and plenty of reason to do it (you can pick a WAR + 3DPS and still do wall to wall pulls in Hero's or Matoya's). And, I mean, if you're a tank and don't push CD's there's virtually no reason for you to be in the group -- would be better just to be a melee with bloodbath. If you're a healer and all you're doing is attacking 2 mobs, why not just pull larger and use a couple free tools to smooth it out while casting a stronger ability and killing more things quicker? Granted, if there's a DF group I get (which, to be transparent, I haven't) where 3/4 want to go slow, I'll just take my penalty and do something else with no hard feelings -- if dungeons were more interesting, more fun and engaging, I might feel more inclined to even do slower groups but... honestly, dungeons as they are now, are incredibly dull affairs.

To say, though, that wall-to-wall (at the very least in endgame dungeons) is not standard is just... incorrect, at least as far as the NA datacenters are concerned (I've genuinely never had a tank who didn't do them, except like 1 time out of... hundreds of groups and even then they usually go ahead after a "can we do big pulls" with... maybe 1 in my entire time being a little passive aggressive about it but, tbh, we didn't really need a tank in Matoya's so if they df-quit it wouldn't've really mattered so the other 3 of us just continued pulling). Like, it's not even really an "elitist raider vs casual player" thing, it's just... easiest, fastest, and most people I run into don't like... run dungeons as their primary piece of content. Most people I run into just want their tomes for the day and to get it over with, so they can go move on to other content.

And, I mean, if you queue into a group where the majority wants to do the larger and faster sets of pulls, will you do them then?

[Awha]

I know what you meant, which is why I quoted that other person again, and all you responded with was what you're been saying all along. The person in the qoute mentioned a tank was pulling smaller, it wasn't "just" the tank or "just" the healer.

Again, did you read any of that? You keep saying "majority", but your "majority" seems to revolve around what the dps want, regardless of how you dress it. I literally just said if the tank/healer (which can be either, or, or both) want a calmer pace and I (also as dps), don't care either way, that's the majority right there. If you, as the odd dps out, insist on going fast? Guess what, You're not the majority, and you can either take what roulette gave you, or eat a penalty. W2W pulls are something a portion of NA decided was expected, it isn't a basic requirement, whatever anyone on this forum tells themselves.

If the opposite is true and only one person wants to go at a calmer pace, they can make a request, and there's nothing wrong with that. The polite thing to do would be to acquiesce said request (though given the "ME ME ME" attitude on this forum...), but if they don't, then the person in that scenario can stick around or leave. I'd probably also leave with them though just on principle.

At the end of the day, roulette is roulette. If someone wants to go slower, deal with it.

Thing is pulling extra is a form of asking if I pull extra and the tank grabs aggro cool, if not I wait on the timer to try and kick and vote determines what the majority wants. How is that hard to understand? It goes for any role but since I mostly play tank or healer I can get away with pulling extra even if one person wants to go slower.

This is also why rarely dps without friends cause I have less tools to survive pulling extra on my own blood bath and arms length do grant me time though. Though as a tank if a healer wants small pulls I will pull W2W and if the dps are on point and the healer either refuses or cannot heal me (which is rare unless they are woefully under geared or just spam pysick or cure 1) most times I will survive at the higher levels. Lower levels it is more of a toss up.

Same for healer, especially if I get dps that use arms length. Also for me it is not just about speed I just find single pulls boring. Though getting through them quicker is nice. Also dps do have a say Judy need the other dps and either tank or healer to join in. Unless it is a duo tank or healer from experience you are likely to have one of those to join in on the extra pull.

This part seems contradictory to everything else you've saying. You say one person doesn't dictate the pace and duty finder is random then this? Which is it? Seems to me you operate under the idea of "I know best and its my way or the highway"

So what if the tank doesn't meet you're expectations of W2W pulls, just roll with it, its DF.

It is not contradictory pulling extra is a form of asking and the vote determines what the group wants. If the vote fails I will just leave though oddly enough it rarely does thus my statement that the general player base probably expects larger pulls.

Sure for those first 5 min I do what I want but after that I go by the will of the vote. I just find asking in chat does not produce a truthful response. Since when ask most often people will say idc but if a vote starts from experience the idc crowd has to make a binary choice yes or no.

Overall for those that are against what I am saying. I have been saying this does not matter about role. Though say if a dps wants to go slower and speaks up how many groups do you think would respond favorably to that dps?