DPS who pull mobs

[Reinha]

if a dps deciding to job the tanks job is ok, then its ok if I decide to dps and not heal them. Turn about is fair play..

If a dps is even capable of pulling first then the tank is already failing at their job.

[Nestama]

Dps also deserve to be KICKED turn about is fair play. If you are dps then you are not the tank and it is not your job to take damage intended for the tank.

Which can be solved if you, as a tank, do your AoE and become the main target. It's that easy.

I would also like to mention it's easily possible to complete dungeons without a tank.

[Bright-Flower]

All I want from people is an honest effort. I don't expect perfection, I don't expect a speed run, I just expect people to put in some level of effort and some basic, bare minimum knowledge of the job they're playing.

And honestly, it's rare to not get that much. Every now and then I'll see a dps that doesn't aoe or a healer that obviously isn't paying attention etc, but the vast majority of my DF experiences are okay at the very worst. The bad apples do stand out when I get them but I fend them to be rare.

[NanaWiloh]

For the nth time, the tank's job is not necessarily to PULL first, they are NOT the party's leader and they do NOT set the pace of a run alone. Their job is to GRAB and HOLD the aggro.

Then suppose that indeed, it is the tank's job to pull, it doesn't take away from their duty as a tank to get the aggro. What you are advocating for is griefing: a DPS starting to dish damage out sooner so long as they are conscious about it and the tank's mind doesn't shatter at the thought of it, it will not harm the run at all, quite the opposite because of what I mentioned in my previous post, whereas a tank refusing to tank or a healer refusing to heal will slow the run down because they are explicitly refusing to do the critical job they queued for.

Never said the tank was the leader but thank you for inserting words in my mouth. Your right tanks job is too grab aggro, now if a dps is running pulling what they doing? Shocker...grabbing aggro which is not their job. So back at you if sign up as dps then do your job which is not gaining aggro. If the healer and tank dont mind then pull away until your blue in the face.

[ZedxKayn]

Never said the tank was the leader but thank you for inserting words in my mouth. Your right tanks job is too grab aggro, now if a dps is running pulling what they doing? Shocker...grabbing aggro which is not their job. So back at you if sign up as dps then do your job which is not gaining aggro. If the healer and tank dont mind then pull away until your blue in the face.

It's like saying DPS shouldn't use Bloodbath or Second Wind because healing is not their job or that a healer shouldn't DPS because DPSing is not their job.
As long as it's not detrimental to the run there is no reason not to do something.
If a DPS runs ahead, it's not inherently detrimental if it's handled well, it's extra mitigation for the tank therefore less to heal for the healer.

But a tank or a healer letting people die out of petty grievance will never be beneficial, ever. Quite the opposite it's going to make it much more difficult because less damage means the pull will last longer and the tank and healer are at a much increased risk of running out of resources.

[Awha]

It is beneficial for the tank and healer they get to flex the might of their role.

[NanaWiloh]

It's like saying DPS shouldn't use Bloodbath or Second Wind because healing is not their job or that a healer shouldn't DPS because DPSing is not their job.
As long as it's not detrimental to the run there is no reason not to do something.
If a DPS runs ahead, it's not inherently detrimental if it's handled well, it's extra mitigation for the tank therefore less to heal for the healer.

But a tank or a healer letting people die out of petty grievance will never be beneficial, ever. Quite the opposite it's going to make it much more difficult because less damage means the pull will last longer and the tank and healer are at a much increased risk of running out of resources.

This is such a over used reason. Dps healing skills are weaker then a healers spells. And healer dmg skills are weaker then dps skills. So you cant take the roles place or what its capable of.

[ForteNightshade]

This is such a over used reason. Dps healing skills are weaker then a healers spells. And healer dmg skills are weaker then dps skills. So you cant take the roles place or what its capable of.

Uhh... Bloodbath is roughly 25% of the damage you do converted to healing. That's likely to be stronger than any GCD heal over time. Regardless, you're still missing the point. A tank's job doesn't magically stop because the DPS pulled ahead. You're meant to get aggro and maintain it, which can easily be done with a single AoE. You using to do so means you're actively ignoring your job in favor of being petty.

[ZedxKayn]

This is such a over used reason. Dps healing skills are weaker then a healers spells. And healer dmg skills are weaker then dps skills. So you cant take the roles place or what its capable of.

"overused" doesn't make it any less valid

also wym lol a healer that knows what theyre doing will outdps most DPS players especially if it's a WHM.
especially true in dungeons where DPS jobs need a few GCDs to build resource and buff themselves whereas healers (again WHM especially) can dish out their maximum amount of damage right away.

[NanaWiloh]

Want to touch on the skill thing as I forgot to mention. Without mitigation and self heals. Tank and dps roles would fail a good number of the solo dutities in this game. As unavoidable dmg would kill you before you could finish the duty.