DPS who pull mobs

[Awha]

Im doing my job, the DPS decide they can't wait the extra second to let me get a hit on the enemy to I can gain aggro.
They decided on their own to run ahead and pull everything else. Thats not being bad at my role on purpose.



Your opinion is valid and noted, but If Im Tank, let me Tank. Dont tank for me then call me bad when you wont let me do my job and act like your in a rush because you have a date waiting or something XD.




Darn Straight 8)
If Im the Tank, let me tank. If you wanna tank, Ill let you tank.
I WILL be petty about it because why am I the Tank, if a DPS is gonna do it for me?

Question would you also let the healer die thus wiping the group if they were the ones that pulled?

[ZedxKayn]

Im doing my job, the DPS decide they can't wait the extra second to let me get a hit on the enemy to I can gain aggro.
They decided on their own to run ahead and pull everything else. Thats not being bad at my role on purpose.



Your opinion is valid and noted, but If Im Tank, let me Tank. Dont tank for me then call me bad when you wont let me do my job and act like your in a rush because you have a date waiting or something XD.




Darn Straight 8)
If Im the Tank, let me tank. If you wanna tank, Ill let you tank.
I WILL be petty about it because why am I the Tank, if a DPS is gonna do it for me?

Do you know refusing to do your job and letting people die for it is reportable since it's griefing?

Someone running ahead isn't preventing you from doing your actual job, that is grabbing aggro, or doesn't mean that they want to tank, it just means that they're faster than you. You're a bad tank and a bad team player with that attitude, no two ways around it.

[Arrius]

Do you know refusing to do your job and letting people die for it is reportable since it's griefing?

The DPS should be held accountable for any pulls they do intentionally ahead of the tank. Why should they get away with running ahead and bring back groups from across multiple rooms when the current mobs aren't done yet?

Did you talk to the tank about it first to suggest that they can pick up speed? Did the healer gave its okay on that as well?
If they did not try anything in that direction and just run off to pick up additional groups, then it's their fault if chaos ensures if that tank doesn't do anything to manage the situation.

You have the tools and options there: Communicate, kick the tank, or leave the dungeon yourself.

... hm, now I have to ask support that intentionally pulling ahead is considered griefing as well and a bannable offense.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

The DPS should be held accountable for any pulls they do intentionally ahead of the tank. Why should they get away with running ahead and bring back groups from across multiple rooms when the current mobs aren't done yet?

Did you talk to the tank about it first to suggest that they can pick up speed? Did the healer gave its okay on that as well?
If they did not try anything in that direction and just run off to pick up additional groups, then it's their fault if chaos ensures if that tank doesn't do anything to manage the situation.

You have the tools and options there: Communicate, kick the tank, or leave the dungeon yourself.

... hm, now I have to ask support that intentionally pulling ahead is considered griefing as well and a bannable offense.

Or you could stop acting like a child and just do your job to get out of the dungeon faster. Then you'll never have to see those DPS ever again.

[Mavrias]

The DPS should be held accountable for any pulls they do intentionally ahead of the tank. Why should they get away with running ahead and bring back groups from across multiple rooms when the current mobs aren't done yet?

Did you talk to the tank about it first to suggest that they can pick up speed? Did the healer gave its okay on that as well?
If they did not try anything in that direction and just run off to pick up additional groups, then it's their fault if chaos ensures if that tank doesn't do anything to manage the situation.

You have the tools and options there: Communicate, kick the tank, or leave the dungeon yourself.

... hm, now I have to ask support that intentionally pulling ahead is considered griefing as well and a bannable offense.

you realize that the tank "refusing to manage the situation" is that tank maliciously stopping their aoe rotation, right? if a dps or healer brings extra mobs to you , the only way you wont pick them up is if you turn off your tank stance or switch to single target.

[ZedxKayn]

The DPS should be held accountable for any pulls they do intentionally ahead of the tank. Why should they get away with running ahead and bring back groups from across multiple rooms when the current mobs aren't done yet?

Did you talk to the tank about it first to suggest that they can pick up speed? Did the healer gave its okay on that as well?
If they did not try anything in that direction and just run off to pick up additional groups, then it's their fault if chaos ensures if that tank doesn't do anything to manage the situation.

You have the tools and options there: Communicate, kick the tank, or leave the dungeon yourself.

... hm, now I have to ask support that intentionally pulling ahead is considered griefing as well and a bannable offense.

The sooner damage starts going out, the faster mobs will die, the faster the dungeon will be.

It's very rare when a DPS pulls so much mob that it turns a reasonable pull into one that is too big. These tanks usually soil their diapers over DPS/healers who just keep walking expecting a baby pull to be a normal one, or DPS/healers who are god forbid, running a couple meter ahead of them and therefore are in range to attack sooner.
And yet it's still the tank's job to grab aggro of the mobs.
Yeah, I'm gonna either try to kick the tank or leave, but not without reporting him as well if that happens to me.

[Ftail]

Yeah, I'm gonna either try to kick the tank or leave, but not without reporting him as well if that happens to me.

I agree with you and the people here it's toxic behavior from the tank to let a DPS die because they pulled mobs. At the same time, it's not a reportable offense if the tank keeps his mouth shut while doing it. How would the GM discern a tank letting someone die from spite from tanks letting someone die from incompetency if there are no chat logs to show he was being malicious.

[Jijifli]

Im doing my job, the DPS decide they can't wait the extra second to let me get a hit on the enemy to I can gain aggro.

It's not hard to hit provoke off a BRD. -Link

Your job is to maintain threat, that is quite literally your minimum. If a dps has it, you are not doing your minimum. I don't care if he pulled something else before you did SOMEHOW to even begin with, because intentionally choosing to not keep threat and wasting everyone's time, not just that one dps, is quite literally griefing.

Would you be fine with the healer no longer healing you if you stood in one aoe?

Would you be fine with a dps just auto attacking because you caused him to miss a positional?

Why is it okay for you to not do what you came to do, but not okay for others?

[LianaThorne]

Genuine question because I'm confused on where the line in the sand is drawn:

Is pulling pack by pack griefing in any situation or do new tanks get a pass on that while they learn? How I view the convo so far is that it's basically a requirement to pull wall to wall and every tank should know that, which is fair for people who have MMO/previous tanking experience. But what about new people who are coming into FF as their first MMO? Should I, as a DPS, rush the dungeon and pull more even though they're obviously new and not sure of how to tank properly and call them out for griefing?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Genuine question because I'm confused on where the line in the sand is drawn:

Is pulling pack by pack griefing in any situation or do new tanks get a pass on that while they learn? How I view the convo so far is that it's basically a requirement to pull wall to wall and every tank should know that, which is fair for people who have MMO/previous tanking experience. But what about new people who are coming into FF as their first MMO? Should I, as a DPS, rush the dungeon and pull more even though they're obviously new and not sure of how to tank properly and call them out for griefing?

I think its pretty messed up to call somebody out for griefing just because they dont pull wall-to-wall, especially if they are new and trying to learn.
Not every tank if gonna be a lighting fast pro, just like not every healer is gonna be good enough to keep up.