DPS who pull mobs

[Artemiz]

Someone gets kicked at the end though, no need to give the party an ultimatum over something so silly. Asking what people want is also a good way of finding out what they want.

[Awha]

Someone gets kicked at the end though, no need to give the party an ultimatum over something so silly. Asking what people want is also a good way of finding out what they want.

Asking what people what they want also opens the group up to potential bickering. Using the vote feature is a nice clean way to avoid any conflict if it passes cool if not person has a choice to make conform or leave.

Also personally not a fan of asking cause sometimes you get people that say no because they rather just afk or Netflix heal. I have had healers just auto follow me as the tank after asking for small pulls so they can barely do anything. Hell have done a lowbie dungeon with an afk sch and eos just healing.

That is not cool imo so to avoid those extremes I just go hard from the start and more often then not things work out.

In the end it is not a time factor for me. Sometimes if I am feeling up to it I ask the tank to remove gear just so I have more to heal. It just comes down to fun and a speedy run often amounts to maximizing that enjoy sometimes.

[Mavrias]

Trying and tryhard arent the same thing though.

As for my your previous reply to me you are being a hypocrite, on the one hand your saying the party speed isn't down to one person then you hit them with an ultimatum, either kick the tank or Im out. Thats hypocricy.

I dont know what the state of ex roulette is right now as I'm a returning player, my recent experience is me running dungeons, new to me for the first time as tank. I start steady then speed up as I gauge how its going. On the odd occasion I've had dpa pull for me I've let it go, no big deal but seeing your attitude on this im much more inclined now to dig my heels in and initiate a vote kick against you first. Im happy to roll with whatever but im not just going to let people like you come In and push everyone else around. In my experience of about 4 years of roulette tanking in this game is there are plenty of parties that like to ease off the throttle a bit, im happy to go at any pace, people like you dont get to dictate to the rest of us, not in any party im in anyway.

You remind me of the kind of tank who jumps in the leveling roulette and refuses to do a full clear even though 2 or 3 other party members need the exp. Its not all about YOU. You entered the DF, Deal with the DF.

vote kicking is a simple way to solve an issue if neither party is willing to compromise. theres no reason for it to be taken personally or be seen as a negative thing.

I decline to do full clears when I tank leveling roulettes ( hasn't happened in a while I've been capped on all jobs for a while now so I pretty much only boost queues for my friends) because I don't need the exp and want to just finish the dungeon. they are more than welcome to kick me or go back for those extra mobs after the final boss.

[Lium]

Big pulls are no big deal. But neither are small pills. Just roll with whatever the group wants.

One thing I will say is that the forums don’t represent the playerbase. Here, everyone wants savage/ex to be standard and everything to be super hard. Or so they claim.

Then you get in-game and find opinions to be drastically different.

[LianaThorne]

One thing I will say is that the forums don’t represent the playerbase. Here, everyone wants savage/ex to be standard and everything to be super hard. Or so they claim.

Don't mind me, just a virgin to savage sitting in my crafting corner waiting for new story and ripping apart my garden twenty times in a week cause I can't settle on a design.

I don't think your analysis represents the entirety of the forum either.

[Artemiz]

I dont know how you guys are having such problems with basic conversation skills but I've never really had any problems just asking groups what they want at the start of a run. I dont see bickering, or sulking or people falling out. What happens is after a question or two people just get on with it. I see no need to start kicking people when a simple question is more than enough. Just play nice kiddies, its not hard.

[LittleImp]

I dont know how you guys are having such problems with basic conversation skills but I've never really had any problems just asking groups what they want at the start of a run. I dont see bickering, or sulking or people falling out. What happens is after a question or two people just get on with it. I see no need to start kicking people when a simple question is more than enough. Just play nice kiddies, its not hard.

It's difficult to overstate how insane people can be on the NA datacenters. People sometimes go NUCLEAR over extremely mundane interactions, and a lot of people would rather just kick than risk the potential of dealing with an unhinged person having a bad day.

I was recently sitting in a casual FC call with someone I didn't know very well who was trying to get away with running a dungeon in glamour gear. The tank in their DF group noticed and asked flatly in chat if they had any better gear, to which the person flipped, raged in call, unequipped the rest of their gear and started griefing the dungeon on purpose and evaded getting kicked until the tank left and ate a penalty.

This game has an unironic mental health crisis, and not everyone wants to participate in it.

[LaughingBanana]

It's difficult to overstate how insane people can be on the NA datacenters. People sometimes go NUCLEAR over extremely mundane interactions, and a lot of people would rather just kick than risk the potential of dealing with an unhinged person having a bad day.

Sometimes I wonder about this too. I'm in Tonberry and played close to almost 3000 hours right now and I very rarely if ever had seen anyone making a big fuss about DF group being "too fast" or "too slow", everyone seems to be just doing ok with whatever flow is happening on the screen.

Votekicking someone for being slow--if they're not trolling, that is--is just mindblowing to me. Like, damn, chill out a bit.

[Lium]

Sometimes I wonder about this too. I'm in Tonberry and played close to almost 3000 hours right now and I very rarely if ever had seen anyone making a big fuss about DF group being "too fast" or "too slow", everyone seems to be just doing ok with whatever flow is happening on the screen.

Votekicking someone for being slow--if they're not trolling, that is--is just mindblowing to me. Like, damn, chill out a bit.

This actually goes hand-in-hand with that other thread about the Three Strikes rule, how this is really only an NA problem, not so much EU or JP. And there's a reason for that.

[Awha]

I dont know how you guys are having such problems with basic conversation skills but I've never really had any problems just asking groups what they want at the start of a run. I dont see bickering, or sulking or people falling out. What happens is after a question or two people just get on with it. I see no need to start kicking people when a simple question is more than enough. Just play nice kiddies, its not hard.

Yeah my social skills are not up the standard of someone else in my age rage. Even so I think your disagreement stems from the notion that you think being removed from a group is inherently a bad thing. That is the problem many people have they take being removed as a personal attack instead of just seeing it as whelp guess I just did not mesh with those players better luck next time.