5.0 Job change wishlist

[SaitoHikari]

Stopped reading there. Why throw your argument away by opening with an insult?

"You don't even raid" = "do you even lift" for games. I play the normal raids, I play the 24-player alliance raids. I pass over the high end content because nobody is willing to play it without a parser crutch. To me, players using parsers are rubbish script kiddies who didn't earn their clear. They used inaccurate information they were not supposed to have to clear it, and then complain it's boring and make asinine demands to change the content.

Playing Ridorana Lighthouse was fun the first time because I was guaranteed at least one run where parsers were dead and nobody knows the mechanics, and players real skill shows through. 13 players will still alive, 21 players got the "Didn't Stop, Made it Pop" achievement, 19:27 remaining, finished at 1:48PM on 2018-05-22. The second time I played it a week later? Gee wow, cleared in half the time with only one wipe, on the boss that we didn't wipe on in the first day-one attempt. Parses started showing up at 2018-05-24 9:24 AM. I cleared everything that was new that I could before the parser users started sucking the fun out of everything.

Now please. if you don't want more discussion about lilies and WHM, then stop bringing it up. Some of you just really want me to be wrong, even when I'm objectively right about the lilies and how SE wants you to play WHM.





But not the reason people are citing. You may also have heard of the term "Emergent gameplay". "The Meta" is not emergent gameplay it's berating users for not adhering to the fastest strategy so that they get better parses for fflogs. Remove the parser from the picture and people would discover that yes, the game is balanced, no healers do not need to maximize DPS, and yes the content is fun.

The same killjoy raiders complaining about lilies are the same ones who think the content is boring. Stop and smell the roses.

So you're not even going to read the argument, you're just going to ignore and deflect, and put words into other people's mouths and project? I didn't even talk about parses, but you felt the need to bring it up. I wonder why. I don't have anything against non-raiders (I pug almost everything without a second thought, as I'm of the belief that running everything with a static group of people closes off your perception to the true state of the game and its community, and playing with different people is the best way to learn how to adapt to every possible situation quickly), but I do have issues with people that are being completely disingenuous about it. Know that I only felt compelled to join in largely because you decided to talk about how Bard gauges worked in a completely wrong way, to support a misguided view on how WHM lilies worked.

I started playing at the start of HW, and I was too scared to raid until A9-12S was released, when I decided I wanted to improve myself as a Bard and help everyone I ran across in turn. Even the thought of doing Sephirot EX, two patches after it was released, scared me halfway to death, but I decided I really wanted the bird - and I wanted to EARN it. So you won't see me going around belittling non-raiders, unless they are speaking as you are right now. What you're doing right now is basically the equivalent of a toxic party member blaming everyone else for their own shortcomings, with no regard for the group effort. If you took 'you don't even raid' as a personal insult rather than an observation leading into questioning your personal stake in this argument, then that's on you.

Why should anyone even respect your arguments then? You're clearly not here to engage in a discussion in good faith if you're going to open with "Stopped reading there", you're here for the exact reason that I suspected upon entering this thread - to push your agenda on everyone else with no thought of self awareness.

Maybe if you'd actually read my post, you'd see that my problem with the lily system isn't even for raid reasons, it's purely from a game design standpoint, lore-wise and in terms of responsiveness. It's a fact that the WHM lily system is a very unresponsive system compared to every other job gauge out there, and as a student of design myself, it really irks me. (It is also quite the teaching lesson, as well.)

Now that we've established that, perhaps it's time to let this argument die.