Thread: 5.0 Job change wishlist

Originally Posted by weedlord

You’re wrong and have no idea what you’re talking about

To play devil's advocate here, it's not exactly wrong, as long as you have an actual plan (like expecting a tankbuster and reacting to the damage immediately, before the tank risks death by getting auto'd a split second later). Although that would probably be better solved by finding a time to precast so that the heal hits between those two attacks, even if using an oGCD is safer.

If you're just standing there like a moron, then yes, it is essentially wrong and don't be surprised if the other party members call you out on it.

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

You can play the Raider meta WHM which is to overheal by casting regen and medica II needlessly so that you can maximize DPS. Same with AST, cast the HoT's and then just DPS.
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It's not our fault if most boss hit like wet noodles and do 99.9% of their incoming damage as AoE or tank burster...
I mean, just look at the new ultimate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBliuc4B4HM



look at the damage taken by the tank, remove the AoE and the 3 tank bursters, the boss did Something like 15 AA. In almost 3min the boss barely did enough AA damage to do twice the WAR hp.
And obviously, the WAR is in dps stance and has 0 tenacity materia.

So beside tank burster, why would you need anything else than regen and ocd to keep the tank alive?
Fine you will / might cast a few cureII there and there.

I mean, I'm not an advocate of dps as a healer. I Don't like to dps as a healer, but seriously, if I wouldn't dps I'd probably spend 90% of a fight standing still like an idiot.

The day SE revamp their boss model and how they distribute damage, perhaps we'll cast more and we'll be able to plan around having lilies (doesn't really make it better but still). But until then, it seems that regen + permanent AoE heal to mend the permanent AoE damage done by the boss seem to be the only efficient way to heal a tank.

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

There are two ways to play WHM. You can use Cure and Cure II as your main heal, exactly like Yoshi-P plays it. You then have 20% more use off Assize and never run out of MP and rarely even need to use Lucid Dreaming. This is the "fishing for a proc" method of using Cure with free Cure II's. It's the same on AST, as Benefic does the same with Benefic II.

This method is for the beginners.

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

You can play the Raider meta WHM which is to overheal by casting regen and medica II needlessly so that you can maximize DPS. Same with AST, cast the HoT's and then just DPS.

“overheal”, “needlessly” ?
Maybe because it’s the better way to heal teammate over time, don’t you think ?
And sorry, but with Cure I & II, you can overheal too (+ embrace overheal). And you are losing a lot of time to do so whereas you have hot + embrace to recover life of the tank/player with “raider meta”, and are free to do what you want during this time.

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

There is nothing wrong with those strategies. However the first strategy is what SE has indicated is the correct strategy, and thus they've devised the gauges to reflect that, and not the raider meta.

It could have been the favorite strategy but unfortunately Stormblood didn’t change anything (expect more AOE damages what serves PI).
It’s quite stupid depending of the playstyle to have a gauge more useful. There is something wrong.

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

You can play all content that way, and anyone who tells you otherwise is simply wrong. If you play like a raider does, you're just going to be bored on regular content, and the gauge neither helps or hinders you.

Bah, it depends what tempo you like. If you are a turret Healer, believe me, it’s not boring at all. Instead it help me to not be bored on regular content. But, if you prefer to doze or if you are not comfortable with healing, then ok, you can just heal and do nothing else. (remember the video from an healer on Xelphatol who heales like what 15% of the time and the rest doing emotes ?)

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Now to reflect back on the other argument that we would have like clockwork pre-SB. "Healers who only heal (are somehow bad/lazy/stupid)" is a wonderful argument that raiders like to bludgeon other players with, and is untrue.

It’s true partially for some players. Obviously, it can’t be applied on beginners or to some players with deficiencies.

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Healers that are "only healing" are likely adhering to the first strategy, because using spot healing takes more GCD time than casting HoT's to overheal. As a result, they are more prepared to rescue a bad PUG party since they're not spending every last MP on Holy spam or Stone's. How often do you need to salvage a bad PUG party? Not very often.

Totally wrong. Already if you are dpsing, you need to manage your mana effectively. So no, you can’t run out of mana once you are used to. Furthermore by dpsing and healing at the same time, you have a high cast time. Playing at this level during difficult mechanics/situations, it’s the best preparation you can have, if you have to rescue the team.
Another thing is to know how to play the jobs of your team, so you can have a strong communication with them and know how they will react (co-healer, tanks) if something bad happen. So you can adjust because of that.
And to finish, playing the 3 healers jobs is essential for the gain of experience as healer (and know better your co-healer of course). For example, when you go from AST to WHM, it become so easy. You can handle situation better because WHM do better healing, and your tempo (CT) in fight have decreased too.

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

The worst healers in this game, are the ones that do not understand that it's ok to stop casting.

Worst healer, don’t know, but it’s sure it’s a mistake if you are not providing heal when team need it.

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Pre-pull regen/medica ii/aspected benefic/aspected helios is a direct result of players being told to do the raider meta without knowing why. Spamming regen, medica ii/aspected benefic/aspected helios is a direct result of raider meta being incorrectly applied.

Euh, I don’t think so. It’s a direct result of player doing something that they don’t have a clue if it’s working or not (but at least they try). Prepull Regen (as diverse shields) on tank are a right move. Prepull medica II is not necessary and quite useless. If they are an/several AOE at the beginning, then yes, it’s useful (for “raider meta” lol). But for that you need to watch at your team. With WHM, without NIN, with Tanks who can’t manage aggro, it’s more complicated.

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

If you're response to me is going to to be "you're wrong" again, save it. The proof is in the pudding.

I have seen your posts for quite some time already and I have the impression your vision or your way of thinking as healer is staggered.

Healers in General:

Remove Protect as it is and replace it with a short CD def buff just like protect is in pvp right now.

SCH:

2 ideas for Dissipation:

1) The ability to absorb your fairies essence (removing the fairy) to become more of a pure healer (in case you're grouped with another SCH). With the ability to use their abilities.

or

2) Immediately swaps fairies and gives 3 Aetherflows (3min CD). Becomes an ability that allows for quick switching of fairies in different phases of damage.

Eos:

Eos is now the go to single target healing fairy

Remove Whispering dawn and give a small single target regen (2min CD)

Aether Pact causes Eos to pulse single target heals just like on live currently

Selene:

Selene is now the go to group healing fairy

Remove Silent Dusk and replace it with Whispering dawn. (2min CD)

Aether Pact now causes Selene to pulse AoE healing on each tick.

for monk gives us a ranged attack like all the other melee dps just do something with stances we still spend pretty much all of our time in fists of fire

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Can the WHM people stop moaning in every single thread? Seriously... There's a bunch of threads to discuss about WHM, like this one http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...he-Lily-II-now
Please go there and stop messing around other threads that has nothing to do with WHM like this one.
Thank you very much.

We're not complaining in every thread. This is a thread asking for what we wanted, I mentioned the lily system. If debates like this happen just over the mere mention of lilies though, I guess that tells you what we think of it.