5.0 Job change wishlist

[KisaiTenshi]

Command mission healers are Conjurers...........................they don't even have lillies and you do realize Conjurer's only have 4 healing spells right? Cure, Cure II, Medica, and Medica II. So of course they will use Cure II to direct heal? They don't have Regen, Tetra, Assize, Asylum, Bene, or Plenary.

Please actually play a command mission before trying to explain how they work, because clearly you don't. The healers in the command missions have Medica II at ALL levels. They don't use it until the party has taken damage, which is the thing I've being saying and have not suggested they should be casting anything else. Rather the command missions illustrate how the developers think players should be healing as another example of why the WHM's gauge is also tuned to act on Cure and Confession stacks are from Party-Healing Medica/Medica II/Cure III and not from DPS and don't have any bearing on DPS, because you only get the Lily and Confession stacks from not overhealing. If you're playing the game by overhealing using HoT's , especially on easy content, then you of course aren't going to be able to make use of these gauges and don't benefit them because you're overhealing.

If you are just going to reply to people with your usual tangents that have nothing to do with what they asked you then why bother to reply at all? Like I've said many many times before you always do this when confronted with something you can't argue.

Because the not-nice people on the forum don't want to have a discussion, they want a fight, and when presented with information that challenges their world view, the put their fingers in their ears and instead throw insults instead.

Tangents, tangents, and more tangents of irrelevant stuff. Command mission CNJ's have nothing to do with raid healing or even end game healing for that matter for extremely obvious reasons. MSQ is level 50 where you don't even have anything to use Lillies on until level 52. None of this is end game healing.

What does level 50 MSQ healing and conjurer command mission healing have to do with level 60+ healing???

Because that is how SE and Yoshi-P has designed the healing. You don't throw away half your toolkit when you turn level 50. Look at the kind of comments people keep snarking out. "Oh the lily system is useless, because nobody uses cure" , and when I say I do, you're like "then you suck" rather than "oh well how do you get past X, when I have to spam so many HoT's and oCD's to get past it?"

What SE or Yoshida think has nothing to do with this topic.

Just because the devs design something one way or another doesn't mean the community has to smile and accept anything they do. If people want to ask for changes to lillies then they can do that.

The way SE and Yoshi-P sees it has everything to do with the topic see it says "Job change wishlist" not "changes I don't want SE to make, please don't read". The person who first posted about lilies in this thread, also posts nothing but "the lilies suck" in every post they make, so they want the job to change to appease a small portion of players who aren't playing the job correctly in the first place.

Trying to argue about what someone else said they want to see changed about lillies just because YOU personally think they are okay is useless in the context of this thread.

This thread is asking for changes people want to see for 5.0. These posters don't care what you think about it or how the devs designed it. They are listing changes they personally want to see for whatever reason they want it.

Just so you know they could change lillies easily where the less optimized play style of using a lot of Cure I/II AND the more optimized play style of using regens effectively to make room for more DPS can both benefit from Lillies. So what is your problem with this? You'll still be able to play your less optimized style.



You don't even understand the raid healer meta

Oh, I know what the raid healer meta is, is the meta bad players learn from raiders and then try to use on every piece of content because it gives them the max deeps. s/ , you know on content that isn't bloody contest. The same players complain about having nothing to do because they are making it so they have nothing to do. The same players complain about content when it's not even 3 days old because they already sucked the fun out of it with a parser.

There have never been two ways to play White Mage. It functions precisely the same as every healer; you maximize the number of oGCD and Regen ticks you can exploit to avoid casting heals as much as possible. The fact you cite "raider meta" only to subsequently claim they overheal demonstrates your profound lack of understanding. Good raid healers have little overhealing because they allow HoT to tick people up. Cure II spam, meanwhile, is an absolute waste of your MP which can be better spent on Stone IV or Aero II/III. Fishing for free Cures is even worse due to you using your least efficient heal. The odds are staggeringly low you will ever actually benefit from that, especially when White Mage has far superior options at its disposal. For example sake...

Cure I: 10,441
Regen: 3600-3800 range per tick

Even at the lowest estimation, that Regen will tick for 25,200 at the cost of only 240 more MP. Unless the tank needs immediate HP, Regen is VASTLY better than Cure I and even Cure II. Granted, the latter at least has more value.

Regardless, what the hell qualifications do you have to speak on "Raider meta?" You aren't a raider, do not even try to optimize, spent the better part of pre-Stormblood being laughed off the forums following your insistence White Mage heals in a manner it simply doesn't and yet you have the audacity to critique people who have not only theorycrafted healers but have Ultimate clears under their belts? At least you have White Mage leveled this time.

Hmm, I wonder who has a better understanding of White Mage? Miss Kisai who has never dabbled in anything harder than a dungeon or Entropy's White Mage who used Cure I once in their clear of Ultimate.

Hmm I wonder who has a better understanding of White Mage, Yoshi-P and the dev team who plays this way I've pointed out, or 4% of the player base who who raids with parsers then complains about healers being boring and complains that content is boring.

Why on earth would the developers ever listen to the raiders who aren't playing the content correctly in the first place, and use parser tools as a crutch? There is no way in hell that the developers can or even should listen to the people using the parsers, because what the parser users are asking for is for content to be nothing but DPS checks that you can just stand still to maximize dps with because your ego will be bruised if you don't get some high marks on a third party site using a parser that only guesses how HoT's and DoT's work to begin with. The parser also guesses how long combat is, thus very trivial things will have large differences.

So~ When are you going to post a video of Swallow's Compass / Hell's Lid / Fractual Continuum (Hard) so you can show us how you play WHM properly? I'd love to review that thoroughly like I did in the past with a previous video.

In all seriousness, the Lily system needs rework because the habits it teaches you effectively tells you to ignore optimizing 95% of the rest of your kit. If we're supposed to only use Tetra / Assize / Asylum when we have three lilies, we'll probably only end up using them one time each during the course of a raid encounter.

The CD reduction on lillies mean nothing if you aren't firing the CDs on cooldown but we have trouble generating Lillies because we can only get them from using single target heal spells. How counter intuitive is that?

Why should I post a video here? So I can take the insults from you guys again and have my channel videos downvoted out of spite because none of you can be bothered to watch it for more than 7 seconds. No thanks. All that experience showed me is that maybe three people care about legitimately offering advice and everyone else is just a jerk who wants to lay in a burn.

I get through all the content I want to play on WHM if I'm collecting tomes or raid rewards.

We're not complaining in every thread. This is a thread asking for what we wanted, I mentioned the lily system. If debates like this happen just over the mere mention of lilies though, I guess that tells you what we think of it.

Which is, players who don't play the game like SE/Yoshi-P want you to, and instead play it like a green DPS, complain about it like it's a limit break gauge and they're somehow missing out on something. If you don't want to play it the way SE wants you to, you're not being forced to. But please don't pretend like the Lily gauge doesn't work, because it does. Wow look shorter CD's on the level 52-60 (the HW skills) Asylum, Assize, Divine Benison, or Tetragrammaton. Of which the lilies aren't stopping you from casting them to begin with.

What the supposedly "best" raiders do, has a detriment the rest of the player base when they're told to do things, that only are ever true when you're undergeared for the content, and is only about optimizing for speed to beat the enrage timer so you have better parses than the other players who use the same parser.

I'd really like to hear what the Japanese raider meta is because Yoshi-P and the developers obviously pay attention to them and not us, and they have larger clear rates.

Okay let's get back on topic with the saintlike generosity of assuming you're correct.

WHM: In 5.0 I'd like them to make this be a Job that's not destined by design to utterly suck for people who press all of their buttons instead of half of them.

Oh you know it's not going to end until we have a 50 page thread again. If anyone reading this decides "oh I need to lay in my sick burn" just don't. I'm not telling you you're playing the job wrong, I'm telling you SE is telling you are playing the job wrong and have not done anything to help or hinder your meta, so please leave it alone.

[Ghishlain]

Because the not-nice people on the forum don't want to have a discussion, they want a fight, and when presented with information that challenges their world view, the put their fingers in their ears and instead throw insults instead.

There's a lot of irony in this statement coming from you - because you are guilty of doing the exact same things when people challenge your world view on how WHM healing should function.

Why should I post a video here? So I can take the insults from you guys again and have my channel videos downvoted out of spite because none of you can be bothered to watch it for more than 7 seconds. No thanks. All that experience showed me is that maybe three people care about legitimately offering advice and everyone else is just a jerk who wants to lay in a burn.

I get through all the content I want to play on WHM if I'm collecting tomes or raid rewards.

Don't you think that's indicative of something? Even if the OF only represents a small percentage of players, a rather large percentage of these posters disagree with your opinion on several levels. Don't you know that's telling of your own opinion in the matter? Perhaps you shouldn't feel your opinion is law and everyone else who disagrees with you is a troll or looking to fight as all that does it make you look worse.

Take that from someone who legitimately watched your entire 55+ minute Antitower and gave a thorough opinion on everything I thought you both right and wrong.

And yes, I did watch all 55+ minutes of it.

[Miste]

Please actually play a command mission before trying to explain how they work, because clearly you don't. The healers in the command missions have Medica II at ALL levels. Rather the command missions illustrate how the developers think players should be healing

Please actually read my post.

You think I haven't done command missions? I'd like to know where you got that idea from? Just because I raid you assume I don't do other content? You made an incorrect assumption.

I do every single piece of content in this game except for Ultimate...and well Lord of Verminion, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who did do that anyway.

Where did I say that the command mission healers don't have access to Medica II below level 50?

Point it out in my post.

Where did I say it?

I can wait......oh....it's not there.... Want to know why? Because I've done command missions and I know they can use it pre-50, but that fact had nothing to do with my point. Fancy that...

But, you know I assumed you would do this. You can't find any flaw in what I countered you with so you go off on things I never said or have nothing to do with anything like what level the CNJ in command missions can use Medica II. Can you explain what relevance that has?

I'd like you to show me a video of a command mission CNJ using Assize, Regen, Asylum, Bene, Plenary, or Tetra. What level they use Medica II at has nothing to do with my point. My point was that a CONJURER doesn't have access to any of these spells/abilities that I listed since they are all WHM ones.

So, no, command missions are definitely not illustrating how a WHM should heal...since it is a CNJ and not even a WHM. This is really obvious.

A CNJ is not a WHM and using a CNJ healing kit to say that WHM should heal like that is beyond ridiculous. A CNJ only has half the spells and abilities that a WHM has.

Not to mention your whole argument started about lillies and CNJ doesn't even have lillies. So seriously what were you expecting here?

You just can't admit when you are wrong.

Because the not-nice people on the forum don't want to have a discussion, they want a fight, and when presented with information that challenges their world view, the put their fingers in their ears and instead throw insults instead.

Are you sure you aren't projecting? This sounds like you are talking about yourself as well.

You don't usually throw insults, but you sure know how to work the passive aggressive.

Also before you volunteer to throw me in there too, I am totally fine with admitting I am passive aggressive sometimes.....to people who do it to me first and I have a great memory. I am of the belief that you don't dish out passive aggressiveness if you are afraid of getting some back at you.

Because that is how SE and Yoshi-P has designed the healing. You don't throw away half your toolkit when you turn level 50. Look at the kind of comments people keep snarking out. "Oh the lily system is useless, because nobody uses cure" , and when I say I do, you're like "then you suck" rather than "oh well how do you get past X, when I have to spam so many HoT's and oCD's to get past it?"

Never said you throw it away, simply there are better ways to play healers in which you do your best to optimize in a way to avoid overhealing and also avoid using GCD heals. The top healers AVOID overhealing which is why you showed already you don't understand it since you claim raid healer meta is to "overheal needlessly"

I don't condone anyone telling someone else that they suck, but it is a fact that you are playing a less optimized way if you rely on Cure I/II instead of the other tools you have. It's just a fact about how the game is designed. That's it. Obviously there are bad ways to convey this.

If you don't want to optimize? That's fine. Since you don't do savage/ultimate where it is expected.

I really hope you are not accusing ME of saying you suck, because if you look at my post I did not say that anywhere.

The person who first posted about lilies in this thread, also posts nothing but "the lilies suck" in every post they make, so they want the job to change to appease a small portion of players who aren't playing the job correctly in the first place.

Exiled just really wants things for WHM and, yeah, she is maybe a bit too enthusiastic with how much she posts it, but she can post in here with her job change wishes if she wants. So too bad? Just because you complain that she wants to change lillies do you really think she'll stop for you? She can post what she wants. /shrug

Oh, I know what the raid healer meta is, is the meta bad players learn from raiders and then try to use on every piece of content because it gives them the max deeps. s/ , you know on content that isn't bloody contest. The same players complain about having nothing to do because they are making it so they have nothing to do. The same players complain about content when it's not even 3 days old because they already sucked the fun out of it with a parser.

Your bias is showing....


Also you should REALLY read what Saito said and think on it. He posted a very thorough post before I could finish this one.

[Ceasaria]

Oh, I know what the raid healer meta is, is the meta bad players learn from raiders and then try to use on every piece of content because it gives them the max deeps. s/ , you know on content that isn't bloody contest. The same players complain about having nothing to do because they are making it so they have nothing to do. The same players complain about content when it's not even 3 days old because they already sucked the fun out of it with a parser.

Hmm I wonder who has a better understanding of White Mage, Yoshi-P and the dev team who plays this way I've pointed out, or 4% of the player base who who raids with parsers then complains about healers being boring and complains that content is boring.

Theory vs Practice, who win ?
Healers boring ? just wow.

Wow look shorter CD's on the level 52-60 (the HW skills) Asylum, Assize, Divine Benison, or Tetragrammaton.

I'd really like to hear what the Japanese raider meta is because Yoshi-P and the developers obviously pay attention to them and not us, and they have larger clear rates.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...d_the_raiding/

[KisaiTenshi]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...d_the_raiding/

I'd take you seriously if you had not posted the gifs, get your burns in while they're still warm. I had actually read that reddit thread three days ago. But ok, all quotes below are from the reddit thread:

Theory 3: Focus on compositions/logs.
It's been said many times that any (standard) composition can clear any fight in the game. Despite this, many Party Finder parties will insist on a composition that somewhat resembles the meta, even if they're not doing log runs. Duplicate jobs are often excluded, which I partially understand due to the reduced Limit Break generation, but not even allowing two casters in a practice party is stupid. On the other side of the coin, Bards and Machinists often won't join a party unless it has a Dragoon in it.

As for logs, I can't tell people not to care about them. If someone enjoys optimising a fight to the nth degree with their static, that's their right. I would like logs to have less influence on the game, however. As a healer main, I get tired of having to adjust to people failing mechanics due to being greedy with DPS. I also think it's a shame that nobody ever wants to use the limit break because it hurts their numbers. As someone who picked up XIV after playing other Final Fantasy games extensively, I feel like people should be fighting over who gets to use it, but instead, someone usually ends up being assigned the "LB bitch," which tells you everything you need to know about players' attitudes towards it.

For me, logs are a tool I can use to improve and gauge my progress, but getting to a certain colour or percentile is not an end-goal in itself for me. I've heard that a lot more people care about them in EU/NA than in JP, but I have no evidence of that. At the very least, it's worth remembering that there are a million variables that go into any given pull of any given boss, and boiling them all down to one number is not a reliable way to gauge someone's ability. Every time someone's DPS gets criticised publicly, I wonder how many people are put off even trying to raid for fear of getting judged.

Gee, haven't I pointed this out like at least once a month? Did we not just see another drama that over this a few days ago?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...aiding/dzwafiq

I raid on Gaia, exclusively in PUGs. Am Japanese person, as well.

For PUGs in JP, the number one priority is clearing the fight, as consistently as possible. No one cares about parses or personal DPS or clear time as long as mechanics are done correctly and enrage is met, no matter how far into a raid tier we are, no matter how good everyone's gear is. No one locks certain jobs out of PF, no one says anything about meta comp. A safe, consistent strat gradually becomes mainstream and everyone follows it, a strat that is as braindead as possible. No one does out-of-the-box strats to increase uptime or get faster clears. No one pulls a "I want to try this, so I'm half-forcing you to do this to adjust" kind of thing. I can expect to go into a random weekly clear party and do the exact same thing that I did the previous week, or any other week. If you want to optimize your play or go for logs, you join a static.

Now, there are demerits to this as well. Because for many (not all) people who PUG exclusively, clearing the fight is the end-goal, so once they have the mechanics of the fight down and can consistently do them, they cut back on putting effort into actively improving their numbers. I've had runs where half the party parsed Grey. Just this week, my O7S weekly was killed during enrage cast. Do I call people out? Does anyone call anyone out? Not at all, as long as the fight is cleared with no major hiccups.

In NA/EU, if you couldn't skip Soar you were kicked (or so I've heard). In JP, everyone knew how to do Soar correctly, and skipping it was a bonus if you were lucky.

EDIT: I see comments saying that JP are more focused on raiding. While that may be true to an extent, more likely to be the reason for more players taking part in raiding in general is the "the content is there, why not do it?" line of thinking. Of course, we have players that don't raid at all. We have players that clear up to a certain fight and stop there. But the content is there, why not do it?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...iding/dzxm9fr/

Very late to the party, but as someone who doesn't raid (who has tried raiding in other games):

I wonder how many people are put off even trying to raid for fear of getting judged.

Attitudes in entry level raiding across MMO's sucks in the West. It just does. You have too many people who think they know better than everyone else (even if they don't). You have too many people who just aren't willing to teach, yet expect perfection from the very get go. And as other posts have mentioned, people are wanting top 1% performances all the time. Just getting a clear isn't good enough for some reason.

Screw that.

Raid fights honestly do look fun and challenging, but it is so not worth it to put up with all the assholes that raiding and world first races seem to attract. There are some fantastic people in the raiding community, and all players benefit from the research and work the people who do want to teach others and grow the community provide. You guys sincerely rock for doing that for everyone else and have my deepest gratitude. I'd give you all gold if I could.

But they're all drowned out by the hordes of people that act like raiding is life and death, and who think talking down to people is a valid form of criticism. You want more people to raid and get clears? Stop being dicks. Competition does not justify you being a dick. And that goes for all sides: stop demanding perfection every single run, and stop thinking you're going to be carried for your clear.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...iding/e0103b7/

This. I've read the posts on this thread claiming that the percentage of raiders are lower on NA servers simply because the truly dedicated raiders would prefer to play WoW. We don't have data to prove this in any case, but I would strongly suspect that this alone cannot possibly explain the vast gulf in O8s completion rates.

Rather, for whatever reason, a vicious circle has apparently taken hold in NA servers, such that people who want to try raiding are put off by the toxic learning environment. And with fewer people taking part, the trend only gets worse over time. Saying that the root cause is because NA players in general prefer WoW raiding sounds more like an excuse to me, rather than actually acknowledging the problem.

Again, I'd stress that maybe I'm wrong, and I'll be more happy to be proved wrong by data, if someone would make the effort to collect it.

I'd just say though, that it has been my experience, raiding on a JP server, that the general environment as a whole is conducive towards learning the fights, stage by stage. JP players are not angels. Bad hats do exist. But the community as a whole supports casual progression, and this is turn explains why players perceive raid content as something they'd attempt, just because "it is there", so why not try?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...aiding/dzxm9fr

This is why I pug. NA raid community (and its not everyone) has become so dysfunctional that pugging has become a much more rewarding experience. It's the said truth. Add to the fact that how convenient pugging is in terms of personal schedule on a weekly basis and static raiding just can't compete.

I have found that the more casual groups I have played with over the past year actually provide a higher level of performance overall. From their numbers, attitude to their attendance and overall morale. The only real criticism I can give of these groups is that they do self deprecate a little on their skill, which may be a good thing in the long run as they aren't full of themselves.

As a healer main, I get tired of having to adjust to people failing mechanics due to being greedy with DPS.

...and dying. They really do see us as mandatory janitors. But I guess that means they see themselves as trash? We cleanin' up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...iding/dzxjws1/

I am an English player on a Japanese-dominant JP server. I can't read or type Japanese apart from basic greetings. Rely heavily on my friends who could communicate with them. Going to share my raiding experience in the Japanese community!

Three of us English players have been raiding in Savage tier contents since ARR, apart from several patches which we took breaks. (started with a static but gradually became just three of us)

Since 4.0 or even 3.0, we do not have a static and RF. We adhere to JP community's norms since we very much like it there. So, no meta comp, no openly finger pointing (indeed, if we are displeased with the progress, we would call the next attempt as the last and disband afterwards).

We have seen both extremes from the Japanese players. Really good ones and suboptimal ones. Skill levels apart, culture is similar. Aim to clear, no funny strategies. Stick with the mainstream macro strategy.

In our server cluster, there is Tonberry which is populated by both Japanese players and a huge presence of Asian players (English players). It is common to see RF parties having the description "JP only". In my opinion, due to both communication barrier and differences in attitudes. English players are very quick to blame players and calling them out in party chat, which isn't common in the Japanese community.

Cannot comment much about skill levels between JP and E in our cluster, since we mainly recruit only JP players (we were questioned numerous times whether party was JP only). For every 1 highly skilled E player we had come across, we met more less skilled ones relative to the same comparison for the JP players.

Regarding meta comps, I am a bard main, and I still recruit NIN/DRG for the 2nd melee slot. This is also true when looking at other parties, they don't typically restrict roles.

For a PUG party, I'm pretty happy we clear savages consistently during 3rd-4th week. Enjoy the progression in RF from practice, to aim to clear, to enrage experience, to fast clears. We don't see many incidents of players pretending to be ahead of the recruited contents/progression.

Something interesting: started seeing more of Tonberry E players selling runs. Doesn't exist in the JP community, which benefits other raiders in my own opinion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...iding/dzxicxs/

I'm from Carbuncle and it's a mentality/attitude/culture issue.

JP players tend to stick through the entire duration of the duty, even if it's an "aim to clear" party and even more so if it is a practice party. Complaining is not welcomed, often stated outright in PF as ギス ✕ , i.e no awkwardness.

The result? Good players hang around for bad players to practice to get good. And more practice means more clears.

So what have we learned? That JP aims to clear the content without tools, metas or party compositions. They teach everyone, even PUG's. Do you really think SE is going to do anything to appease the NA raiders when the Japanese raiders have the higher clear rate?

[MoroMurasaki]

pointless, unrelated tangent

.... literally none of that supports lillies in their current iteration.

Like, nothing.

This is why no one can take you seriously. This, right here.

[SargentToughie]

.... literally none of that supports lillies in their current iteration.

Like, nothing.

This is why no one can take you seriously. This, right here.

They also super conveniently ignored being called out on the last page. Asking to spill the beans on their intimate knowledge about ACT, which is apparently so severe that it's going to result in a ban of the program.

[MoroMurasaki]

They also super conveniently ignored being called out on the last page. Asking to spill the beans on their intimate knowledge about ACT, which is apparently so severe that it's going to result in a ban of the program.

Oh wow.

A ban of a program that is already banned?

I wonder how that works- oh, wait, my bad! I was applying logic and reason again. Sorry everyone, I should have learned my lesson by now.

[KisaiTenshi]

They also super conveniently ignored being called out on the last page. Asking to spill the beans on their intimate knowledge about ACT, which is apparently so severe that it's going to result in a ban of the program.

I do not fall for schoolyard biff tannen gambits.

As I said, I know how the parsers work, and anyone who thinks they are going to goad me into trying SE's patience by explaining it on the official forum, really doesn't know me very well at all. I don't bluff. Suffice it to say anyone can decompile the parser, but I doubt the script kiddies who use the parser know what to look for. You're just blindly trusting that it's accurate, when the author has many times explained it is not for various reasons. You just don't want to hear it.

Oh wow.

A ban of a program that is already banned?

I wonder how that works- oh, wait, my bad! I was applying logic and reason again. Sorry everyone, I should have learned my lesson by now.

There is a difference between "Oh don't use third party tools because the violate the ToS", and "This tool uses pieces of the game client database obtained from the game client", therefor SE has even more grounds to shut it down since it redistributes SE's copyrighted content, and that goes to their legal department. The developer could easily produce a tool that doesn't include those files by having it extract the files at runtime, but no they instead included them inside the plugin.

You also need to realize that the game has it's own logs. Go look in C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\my games\FINAL FANTASY XIV - A Realm Reborn\FFXIV_CHRXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\log and this is NOT what the parser is reading either.

Now kindly stop being foolish. If you don't want to hear that the NA raiders are the ones hurting their own cause, then nothing I say is going to change your mind. SE has no reason to listen to the NA raiders, or their meta's or their strategies because the NA raiders are the ones actively driving players away from the game by doing exactly what yoshi-p said not to do. So because of that the NA raiders perpetuate a toxic learning environment and are openly hostile to anyone who doesn't subscribe to their groupthink.

Instead of trying to lay in the sick burns at people who don't play the way you do, maybe, just maybe, stop being bad players yourselves. I say you don't need the tools, and several people come to the defense of the tools, missing the entire point that it's your reliance on a third party website processing of the parses that you have no idea how it calculates things that you're measuring yourself against. A group of bad script kiddies can taint all their parses to make themselves look 5% better so they could mock those beneath them with "git gud", and it would slip by because you don't know how it works, and there is no way to audit any parse against a known untainted baseline. You are beating your head into a concrete wall if your personal goal is to minmax dps just to get a score on a website that makes money off of you being obsessed. That is not healthy.

[Dualgunner]

I do not fall for schoolyard biff tannen gambits.

As I said, I know how the parsers work, and anyone who thinks they are going to goad me into trying SE's patience by explaining it on the official forum, really doesn't know me very well at all. I don't bluff. Suffice it to say anyone can decompile the parser, but I doubt the script kiddies who use the parser know what to look for. You're just blindly trusting that it's accurate, when the author has many times explained it is not for various reasons. You just don't want to hear it.