Quote Originally Posted by OcieKo View Post
Im intentionally avoiding non-final numbers as much as possible. Also not a fan of the stance bonus changes on AST, was pretty fine with where they were, Im going to miss me spell speed on Diurnal. Earthly Star, I can't think of a way the 900 potency is gunna make it to the 16th so I've largely ignored it. Holdin opinion on Lord/Lady until we have better details on how their acquired and used, atm I'm still pretty in the dark on that matter, aside from DMG/Healing and 50% RNG can be gotten with Sleeve Draw (god im dreading AOE Spire draws...). Personally ive been comparing PI/Confession to Synastry, since in that format, PI is rather reliable, getting a few stacks on tanks should be pretty easy before outgearing. Half tempted to think Lady might end up taking the place of procced Cure III as opposed to PI.

Yep, we lost disable, our debuffs in general were trimmed down, AST might be winning for least reliable debuffs/CC in the game now. Pretty sure Stella got cut as well.
Keep in mind Thin Air/Presence of Mind are also more freely usable than the more condensed Lightspeed, while Thin Airs comparable is 4X stronger (no i dont think the MP reduction needs to be improved yet, waiting for MP sustain to be clear before that). Not to mention neither hurt the WHMs kit in any way. WHM pretty much lost its only self inflicted effectiveness loss with the CS changes.
Bole, and here i liked you because it felt like you understood the differences of result RNG vs. Opportunity RNG and opportunity cost, which WHM has barely got in the lily system, which it seems their trying to get rid of with no potency loss, but rather a gain, which is backwards...

Just for giggles Id like to see how much WHMs would rage if Medica IIs range was brought in line with Succor/Aspected Helios and they started having problems hitting the tank and the ranged dps with it like we do.
You get an ability called Minor Arcana that you can use to convert any card to Lord/Lady (50% chance both ways). You use it instead of throwing away cards now. Not exactly the vision I had for AST (which involved abilities that reduced RNG), but works well for me. I'm pretty sure Lady is single target btw, and I'd probably just use it like a lustrate.

Plenary Indulgence, to me, is going to replace the concept of following a Cure2/Adlo up with a tetra/lustrate/essential. I think it has like a 15 second cooldown, so maybe WHM just uses Cure 1 following by Plenary Indulgence now as a preference over Cure 2 until you get Cure 2 proc. In that situation, it would make up for the potency difference. So, that looks like MP efficiency and higher dps GCD count to me.

I think you and I have 2 different mindsets though. In my mindset, I raid as either WHM or AST. If the abilities on the job do not do anything for me, they are a waste/garbage/clutter/bloat. For example, extra range on an AOE heal does nothing for me, because my group already grouped up together well (in range) by default. If one of the 2 jobs has abilities that I or my group cohesively would rather have in raid, I will just use that job. No big deal. The only thing I advocate for is that SE do some balance work so that decision becomes situational and not just 1 job all the time.