Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[OcieKo]

I briefly skimmed through but stopped at one point. IMO, SCH is as OCD heavy as WHM (or more). That doesn't mean it has a low skill ceiling though. I raid on SCH btw.

If were talking anything done off the characters OGCD Scholar is the heaviest in OGCD used by far when you account for Embrace. For the player themselves AST uses the most, simply from card management. WHM in practice uses OGCDs the least often. For my purpose here, i nixxed non-healing based OGCDs and also took out Embrace as it requires nothing from the play aside from close proximity to other players. So after this your basically down to Indomitibility and Lustrate, and Essential Dignity and Collective Unconcious. WHM its Tetragrammaton, Assize, Asylum, and Benediction. As far as I know only WHM is getting any major reliable changes to usability uptime/frequency on their OGCD heals (while theres complaints about the lilies doing this as well, a lot of them the base was already lowered significantly). It feels to me like the sheer amount of MP/GCD free heals are being ignored on this forum a bit too much.

[javid]

..For the player themselves AST uses the most, simply from card management. WHM in practice uses OGCDs the least often...

Nooooppe You can't do that. Either you include all the healing buffs each class manages or at least the comparable buffs they manage/time. If we're staying sub 90 sec buffs; SCH STILL has more to manage oGCD wise than both AST and WHM COMBINED (any sch worth his/her salt isn't letting fairy sic spam cds!!)

• SCH= emerency tactic, lustrate, Whispering Dawn, Aetherflow, indom, soil*, rouse (I know i'm missing some...)
• AST= CU, ED, card system, Synastry
• WHM= Divine(losing it lulz), Tetra, Assize and Asylum

This. Which is why the thought of AST being considered an "advanced" job by the devs and therefore being ridiculously more powerful than a WHM is upsetting.
I main WHM, but I also play AST and there is absolutely no added difficulty or discomfort I have with the job when switching to it. In fact, it feels exactly like playing a WHM, minus the cards. And a dare someone to tell me managing cards is difficult...
I also dare someone to tell me that RNG is an excuse to give a job OP utility. Because if that was the case, why isn't our RNG lilies resetting our CDs by 100% or healing on the level of Benediction? It's RNG so it has the right to be broken, right?...

YOUUUUU....that's the keyword; you don't find the extra cds/min harder to manage than the effort you output for WHM. However the APM aren't in your WHM favor.... AST is almost twice the APMs than WHM .


Every 30 secs you're pushing at minimum 2 buttons and max 3 just to deal with your cards; So evey minute you are pushing 4-6 buttons. WHM only has 3 cds on a 60 sec timer and they are losing one of them....... (mind you they add 3 more card functions so future SB AST will be doing a lot of button mashing)
AST APM is well over TWICE that of WHM on just the cards alone.....lulz

If YOU don't find having to do twice as many action per minute on your AST compared to your WHM, difficult, that's cool! But don't you think it's a stretch to suppose the nominal FFXIV community find AST just as easy to manage as WHM, or even comparable??

[OcieKo]

[LIST]
[*]SCH= emerency tactic, lustrate, Whispering Dawn, Aetherflow, indom, soil*, rouse (I know i'm missing some...)
[*]AST= CU, ED, card system, Synastry
[*]WHM= Divine(losing it lulz), Tetra, Assize and Asylum

Given that your using 3.X skill comparisons similar to me. Luminiferous Aether and Shroud of Saints are missing (both going poof). SCH Fey Caress (AoE Cleanse) is missing, Shares CD with Fey Covenant (SCH answer to bole, but in AoE regards its twice as strong). Fey Illumination is missing, shares CD with Fey Wind, and as far as i know Fey Wind is preferred, and Selene is generally used more than Eos, unless im missing something. Which makes Whispering Dawn the cheapest of the Fairie CDs by simple merit of having the least useful shared skill with the single target silence on Silent Dusk.
Also just realized, WHM is the only healer that lacks something they cant use on themselves, AST and SCH have 2 each. Not sure if Benison will join those skills tho. So i guess that goes along side the only job without personal disables (channels/temporary kit loss/weakens part if kit).
And yes there is a reasons to ignoring the non-healing skills, to make a point of what WHM has where SCH/AST have their non-healing utility. Its being ignored a bit too heavily. And no one seems to be recommending ditching Benediction or cutting out a facet of Assize for a party offense buff. At some point WHMs are going to have to take downsides to get that non-healing utility, and that isnt apparent in the arguments, just "I wanna be stronger and have more utility at the same time" its one or the other. You wanna take -50% damage on Thin Air to get a reflect or direct hit buff, be my guest, id rather have the option to DPS with Thin Air, but I play WHM to relax.