Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[13unny]

I could see something like the following happening:

• Only one of the group's two healers will opt-in to protect.
• AST will choose to not opt-in to cleric stance in favor of more support, because a %-based buff actually benefits them less when they start out with less damage on average.

WHM+SCH comp might have WHM take protect, SCH take Eye for an Eye, and both take cleric stance.
AST+SCH comp might have AST take protect and rescue while SCH takes Eye for an Eye and cleric stance.
Perhaps, you even pick one of the two healers to be in charge of Esuna.

Oh no I agree 1 protect is needed, just if Thin Air helps solves their mana problems. (Counting on Bard/MCH being in group)
They might have a little wiggle room with the extra skill.
For Esuna I was going off where both needed to have. Like if 2 debuffs go out and have to remove fast type of deal. So 1 healer gets top other gets bot.

[Vyvian]

I think the X-Class thing really isn't a big deal. It more evens out than not it feels like.
AST/SCH would've needed to take Protect before, so now we're all on the same page.
All 3 classes lost cleanse spells, so that's a wash to all 3.
All 3 classes had their MP regen taken away or nerfed, so Lucid Dreaming is going to all 3, and is a wash.
Cleric Stance will be the first skill to go if any other skill is useful, since it at best increases dps by 1.25% on a class that averages low dps in a raid encounter. Speedrunners will take it once the content is on farm.
WHM already took E4E, while SCH lost it. AST gains a choice because they could not choose this skill before.
Largesse is really the only slot I feel something was lost. DS shined in my opinion because it's CD was only 60 seconds. This skill seems to have drawn numbers from Synastry rather than DS, but since they do exactly the same thing other than numbers, they were consolidated.

[AlphaSonic]

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But we didn't get anything new to replace the skills lost as the new cross class. We have less abilities than the other healers. We should get new abilities to replace them.

[13unny]

Making a system that you largely ignore isn't that great of design. Especially when you look at all the other jobs and see how their UI interacts with their class.

I find it hard to see all the other jobs and then look at what WHM gets and go "Well that looks about the same amount of thought and effort that went into making this".

What about Paladin their shield oath isn't super great and just really there! The system isn't like Goon having to keep blood of the dragon up or BLM's needing Enochian to stay up! ASTRO got nothing for new system, just a UI for cards now lol. Yet Lilies has to be 100% rework?

[IhzaMhaskova]

THIS IS WHY THEY SHOULD'VE SHOWED THIS STUFF MONTHS AGO!

At this point there is 0% chance this gets fixed before SB launches but if we had known at the time of the last patch how things were changing they would've had plenty of time to tweak from feedback!

[IhzaMhaskova]

What about Paladin their shield oath isn't super great and just really there! The system isn't like Goon having to keep blood of the dragon up or BLM's needing Enochian to stay up! ASTRO got nothing for new system, just a UI for cards now lol. Yet Lilies has to be 100% rework?

Paladins Shield Oath isn't useful?

Do you even play this game?

How is a tanks tank stance not useful?!

[Deceptus]

But we didn't get anything new to replace the skills lost as the new cross class. We have less abilities than the other healers. We should get new abilities to replace them.

Says every healer. We all lost things. I play SCH, our Dots and AOE got GUTTED.

[13unny]

Paladins Shield Oath isn't useful?

Do you even play this game?

How is a tanks tank stance not useful?!

Oh I said that bad, I was talking about their new gauge. 0-100 they gain noting really from it. It allows them now to use certain skills just like lilies! Even now Sheltron takes that gauge! That is more hurtful then what lilies are! Yet you see everyone wanting to switch over to them xD

[13unny]

Says every healer. We all lost things. I play SCH, our Dots and AOE got GUTTED.

Yup but heaven forbid Protect is not long WHM only!!

[Mahkii]

I will make this really simple. Serious raiders frown at WHM because its contribution to raid damage is not on par with The Balance. If you fix that, you fix everything. You can be creative with how you solve this problem:

• You could give WHM the ability to increase the parties damage through a buff like The Balance. This could be a flat damage %, this could be attack rate with tp cost compensation, or this could be critical chance rate.
• You could give WHM an anti-cleric stance where they choose not to do damage and it increases everyone else's damage.
• You could make WHM the Samurai of healing so that we prog the entire raid tier start to finish with WHM solo healing and an extra Samurai in the party.

You have options, and that's the single one problem that we raiders were expecting to be solved for WHM.