Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

[Tila]

Seems a lot of our HW stuff revolves around softening the blow when it comes to greased lightning. . At full greased lightning is the only time Monks can compete with other classes. None the less, it would seem the fixes aren't enough as Monks are parsing below other full on DPS.

Does greased lightning need an overhaul? As it stands, SE either designs bosses around never disappearing so 100% uptime can be maintained, or Monk just deals with being a lesser DPS: if they buff greased lightning, monks will overperform on bosses that seldom if ever go away. If they keep it as is, they'll keep underperforming on bosses that force stacks to fall off (Ravana does this a lot for instance). If they buff chakra or TK, then they may end up overshooting it and giving monk a wonky rotation where those skills are used even when on a boss. If they buff greased lightning duration then TK becomes another one ilm punch: useless.

What can be done to put Monk in a good place?

[Humorless]

What's the general opinion of finishing a parse with TK?

It's one more hit that does less than double the damage of your average skill. It will make no difference to your parse.

[Vulpes_Viridis]

@Tila

I think the concept of GL stacks is a good idea and I'm ok with it if there are fights where we'll be outperformed by other jobs because of too many stacks loss. Since I'm a Melee-lover I leveled my NIN to cover these situations but I don't think there is (not yet) a fight where MNK can't do an honorable DPS even if less than other jobs would do. With Form shift we save one complete rotation to reach GL3, so there's that

[Phireblast]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEO1vG64IoI
1137 with only party buff. I wish I had my Hive claws..I also forgot to pop invig halfway in+applied ToD at a weird time, but it's w/e.

[Zamii]

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im starting to see the problem now, you should only be using 1 dragon kick every 7 skills during an optimal rotation, it appears however that you are not using an optimal rotation

[TheMax1087]

im starting to see the problem now, you should only be using 1 dragon kick every 7 skills during an optimal rotation, it appears however that you are not using an optimal rotation

Id love to see what this optimal rotation you're talking about is, as there's not enough skill speed in the game, due to the overall nerfing secondary stats, to have a 2 bootshine 1 dragon kick rotation that doesn't have dragon kick fall off, which is an undeniable dps loss. In the rotation I use, dragon kick is used every 1st and 7th skill, bootshine every 4th and 11th(not counting tod usage and fracture as filler when necessary). If theres something you are doing differently that gets you more dps than that, please share it, as I like being wrong about these things, because if theres somewhere I can improve id like to know it.

[Tila]

I was toying with the idea of only using perfect balance to get greased lightning stacks back up. What would you say is the dps gain for using a perfect, perfect balance DPS rotation, vs the effect of using it to go right back to 3 stacks when they fall off?

[Zamii]

snip.

dragon kick > twin snakes > snap/demo > bootshine > true strike > snap/demo > fracture/ToD
the snap/demo and fracture/ToD get changed depending on the timer on the respective dots, after that it repeats.

i may have jumped the gun slightly on saying you dont use an optimal rotation, you just seem to be mathing it poorly
if you look closer at your rotation, you use bootshine every 6 skills, the only difference is the "fillers" makes up the 7th skill.

I was toying with the idea of only using perfect balance to get greased lightning stacks back up. What would you say is the dps gain for using a perfect, perfect balance DPS rotation, vs the effect of using it to go right back to 3 stacks when they fall off?

i believe bootshine spam is actually a dps lose overall since your buffs fall off for quite some time, i'de have to math it out again to be sure though.
i personally use it however to insert a TK into rotation, so long as i wont need to to rebuild stacks at any point during its cooldown
after the dragon kick > twin snakes, hit TK, then proceeding to do the 3.0 monk opener.

[Craiger]

dragon kick > twin snakes > snap/demo > bootshine > true strike > snap/demo > fracture/ToD
the snap/demo and fracture/ToD get changed depending on the timer on the respective dots, after that it repeats.

i may have jumped the gun slightly on saying you dont use an optimal rotation, you just seem to be mathing it poorly
if you look closer at your rotation, you use bootshine every 6 skills, the only difference is the "fillers" makes up the 7th skill.



i believe bootshine spam is actually a dps lose overall since your buffs fall off for quite some time, i'de have to math it out again to be sure though.
i personally use it however to insert a TK into rotation, so long as i wont need to to rebuild stacks at any point during its cooldown
after the dragon kick > twin snakes, hit TK, then proceeding to do the 3.0 monk opener.

You mean to keep Fracture up at all time? cause that's a huge TP drain, and not recommended...

[Zamii]

You mean to keep Fracture up at all time? cause that's a huge TP drain, and not recommended...

no, god no.
you alternate between using ToD and fracture, basically fracture only gets applied once every 30s