Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[Ditto]

No, that's not how math works. Healers don't look at numbers, they look at a bar and your % of the HP you have left. Between DRK & PLD with grit/shield oath vs. WAR with defiance, it's mathematically almost the exact same. All 3 tanks take the same amount of damage to die, exactly the same amount. The only difference is that the WAR requires about ~4% more healing than the other two tanks. With all the over healing that goes on in raids, in addition to the self heals from frequent inner beast usage, that 4% is pretty negligible.

WAR can feel a little squishy compared to PLD because they don't have a shield, and don't get free blocks. But other than that, a WAR should only feel squishy if they're not using their strong and relatively low cooldown mitigation abilities (inner beast, ToB, vengeance, storm's path), or not using them effectively. It's probably a bit more prevalent than it used to be due to easy stance dancing and using fel cleave instead of inner beast for MOAR DEEPZ! There's no reason a WAR concentrating on mitigation should feel squishier than a DRK.

I was making a comparison to Drk. Both tanks are squishier than Paladin overall. Also no, plenty of healers look at numbers, hell healers SHOULD be looking at numbers because numbers are what make up damage, and your HP. If a healer is looking at HP based only on percentages, then there is a serious problem.

But what you said is basically what I'm saying. Warrior tanking stance is like a high risk high reward type of thing. If they know how to use their CD's, IB included, they can be a tanking machine ontop of the mitigation they get, and the bonus healing. If you take 'squishy' in a literal sense, sure Warriors HP jumps around a lot, they obviously get hit harder when they do not have a CD going because they do not have a 20% damage reduction tank stance like Drk does.

Warriors being 'squishier' is an illusion created by large chunks of HP leaving their bar, in return for larger chunks being added to it.

This is no longer correct, as far as I've seen. I have yet to see a WAR with more than maybe 5% more HP than me, and most of the time they've been about equal with Defiance on. Of course I'll need to find a WAR with the exact same gear as me to test it accurately.

If WARs did have 25% more HP than PLDs or DRKs, then you'd be correct that it all "comes out in the wash" mathematically. But that doesn't appear to be the case.

I'm sorry but I'm beginning to question why you even tank to begin with.

If a War does not have 25% more HP than you, it means he has less Vit than you. Defiance does not scale off of others HP< it scales off fo their OWN HP. In equal gear, equal vit numbers, a Warrior will have 25% more HP than the other two tanks.

More often than not, those Warriors you're seeing are wearing full slaying accessories, and are STR attributed.

If the WAR chooses to equip gear in such a way that he doesn't have 20-25% more HP than me, then he doesn't have that mitigation, proving my point.




Yes, and if a WAR doesn't have 20%+ more HP than me, then Defiance is not a match for Grit. In that case, Grit = IB, in which case Grit is better because it's always on.

And if he doesn't have that HP, that means he's probably dealing more damage than you will ever deal as a MT. You only need so much HP before anything over it is wasted.

And a strong offense is the best defense. That is basically what Warriors have ran on since 2.0.