Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[Pinkie_Pie]

Getting refused to get into group with bismarck EX is getting annoying due to me being a DRK.

4 parties I've tried and each one was like

"Sorry we want a warrior OT" or "Sorry, DRK's can't push the dps needed" AND ONE told me that due to my gear, I wasn't gonna get it unless I was a warrior cause it seems, warriors in MY gear can pull higher dps and give more to the group due to slashing debuff.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR *bangs head on desk* so bull, IF SE didn't fix the Dark arts bug, we could have kept up with warriors but nuuu, they fixed so now we are behind them and from little birdies I'm hearing, paladins are getting ahead of us too.

Doesn't help the bug to our mana too.

I about to give up and level up my warrior. :-/

Sorry for the rant, I'm so just upset right now, I knew I shouldn't have jumped on the DRK bandwagon and stayed warrior. I told myself it wasn't gonna be a Death Knight from WoW and be OP when released but somehow I still made one and made it 60 first over my warrior. :-/

(I'm gonna try and sleep on this so I won't get to reply back, i'll reply back when I can when I wake up if anyone cares :-/)

[Alphras]

These guys are just idiots. Even if the don't want a DRK OT (their dps must be really bad), they could just let DRK MT.

[Kiteless]

...and so it begins... 2.0... version 2.0

These guys are just idiots. Even if the don't want a DRK OT (their dps must be really bad), they could just let DRK MT.

Eh... kind of sketchy. DRK is the worst MT of the three, in addition to being the worst OT. It's usable, but the same people who would kick a DRK for their dubious OT abilities would be just as well to avoid them for MT too. Especially for the Bismark Ex fight that OP mentioned. When I was doing it, I found that being a reliable DRK MT for that fight can be quite difficult, as in order to keep pumping out enough DPS to help the party clear the enrages, combined with that awful MP bug, you have to play it pretty fast and loose with your MP, which makes it hard to reliably gather up the right birds with AoEs when they spawn.

[Alphras]

Eh... kind of sketchy. DRK is the worst MT of the three, in addition to being the worst OT. It's usable, but the same people who would kick a DRK for their dubious OT abilities would be just as well to avoid them for MT too. Especially for the Bismark Ex fight that OP mentioned. When I was doing it, I found that being a reliable DRK MT for that fight can be quite difficult, as in order to keep pumping out enough DPS to help the party clear the enrages, combined with that awful MP bug, you have to play it pretty fast and loose with your MP, which makes it hard to reliably gather up the right birds with AoEs when they spawn.

DRK has zero issues tanking this fight. And the fight is not really tight on dps either. The main thing holding DRK back as OT is his TP problem, but that doesn't even matter in this fight.

If a group is missing a tank and refuses a DRK they are just idiots (and yes I know they are out there).

Edit: Sorry the OT was about Bismarck Ex, my missread. That is even worse though, since there is not really a MT and a OT and in the most dps intensive phase both tanks are tanking.

[shinros]

Dude we are talking about Ravana Ex. DRK has zero issues tanking this fight. And the fight is not really tight on dps either way.

Agreed don't know where people are getting the idea that DRK is absolutely terrible (2.0 warrior comments) and cannot tank fights and paladin does more dps than them. People are now making poor decisions because they keep reading that DRK is absolutely terrible and its now spilling into PF.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

Agreed don't know where people are getting the idea that DRK is absolutely terrible (2.0 warrior comments)

The forums have poisoned the minds of the player base!
@OP if it makes you feel better: they probably didn't clear it.

[Kaedan]

Eh... kind of sketchy. DRK is the worst MT of the three, in addition to being the worst OT. It's usable, but the same people who would kick a DRK for their dubious OT abilities would be just as well to avoid them for MT too. Especially for the Bismark Ex fight that OP mentioned. When I was doing it, I found that being a reliable DRK MT for that fight can be quite difficult, as in order to keep pumping out enough DPS to help the party clear the enrages, combined with that awful MP bug, you have to play it pretty fast and loose with your MP, which makes it hard to reliably gather up the right birds with AoEs when they spawn.

DRK is not the worst MT of the three. WAR is a worse MT than DRK. And DRK is a better OT than PLD. So DRK + WAR is a better combo than PLD + PLD or WAR + WAR. PLD + WAR is still the "Min/Max" of choice if you don't have any confidence in your tank player or are using a PUG. But DRK player that knows what they are doing doesn't put the party at any disadvantage.

[Pinkie_Pie]

DRK is not the worst MT of the three. WAR is a worse MT than DRK. And DRK is a better OT than PLD. So DRK + WAR is a better combo than PLD + PLD or WAR + WAR. PLD + WAR is still the "Min/Max" of choice if you don't have any confidence in your tank player or are using a PUG. But DRK player that knows what they are doing doesn't put the party at any disadvantage.

I've already said that to them but alot of min/max'ers don't like DRK and the idiots who believe in the bullcrap that DRK suck only makes it harder to get in a group. I feel sorry for MCH the worse apparently since I just found out they have bad dps it seems

[Kiteless]

DRK is not the worst MT of the three. WAR is a worse MT than DRK. And DRK is a better OT than PLD. So DRK + WAR is a better combo than PLD + PLD or WAR + WAR. PLD + WAR is still the "Min/Max" of choice if you don't have any confidence in your tank player or are using a PUG. But DRK player that knows what they are doing doesn't put the party at any disadvantage.

Why would WAR be a worse MT than DRK? WAR has better damage, better mitigation, and offers better party support than DRK while main tanking.

Why would PLD be a worse OT than DRK? PLD has similar damage output to DRK, exceeding it after about 2 minutes of fighting, and offers far better party support than DRK while off tanking.

I'm having an incredibly hard time trying to figure out what your reasoning is for either of these claims, because DRK offers absolutely nothing of value that these tanks aren't capable of doing better. The argument might be made that DRK has slightly better magical mitigation than the other tanks, but not even close to an extent that might leave them wanting.

In cases of WAR/WAR, you'll still far better damage than any combination involving DRK with just about the same utility; and in cases of PLD/PLD, the damage would be similar to any combination involving DRK, but with slightly better sustain and far more party utility.

[Kaedan]

Why would WAR be a worse MT than DRK? WAR has better damage, better mitigation, and offers better party support than DRK while main tanking.

Why would PLD be a worse OT than DRK? PLD has similar damage output to DRK, exceeding it after about 2 minutes of fighting, and offers far better party support than DRK while off tanking.

I'm having an incredibly hard time trying to figure out what your reasoning is for either of these claims, because DRK offers absolutely nothing of value that these tanks aren't capable of doing better.

-WAR does not have better mitigation than a DRK. Also, DRK and WAR are fairly equal in damage as MT. So: DRK has better mitigation and equal damage, so DRK is the better MT.
-DRK's damage as an OT is much higher than a PLDs, not "similar". True that DRKs have some TP issues, but that's after 3 minutes, not 2.

Curious what support you think WARs and PLDs offer better than DRKs too?