Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[Kaedan94]

I love the bias'd as hell comparison. You're missing so many Warrior abilities in there it's almost hilarious. Hell you didn't even put Defiance in there, yet you listed Grit, LOL

If you think reducing incoming damage numbers is the only form of mitigation, I have news for you. Every Warrior has news for you.

I listed the mitigation abilities. That what we were discussing. If you want to add the non-mitigation abilities in there from WAR, then I get to add the non-mitigation abilities from DRK.

And yes, I didn't put Defiance in there because it only boosts HP, doesn't mitigate. If a WAR stance dances, it's pointless since the healer has to heal you for that 25% every time. Also, in every Trial I've done through Roulette, I've had equal to, more than, or only slightly less HP than a WAR with Defiance on. No WAR I've done DF content with has had 25% more HP than me as a DRK.

I did forget Vengeance, sorry. Will edit

[Lorielle]

And yes, I didn't put Defiance in there because it only boosts HP, doesn't mitigate. If a WAR stance dances, it's pointless since the healer has to heal you for that 25% every time. Also, in every Trial I've done through Roulette, I've had equal to, more than, or only slightly less HP than a WAR with Defiance on. No WAR I've done DF content with has had 25% more HP than me as a DRK.

You're putting in X Factors into base comparisons..

> If they did this
> Equipped Gear
> Stat Allocation

And the Defiance mitigation, if I am not mistaken, is IB being used at will.

[Kaedan94]

You're putting in X Factors into base comparisons..

> If they did this
> Equipped Gear
> Stat Allocation

If the WAR chooses to equip gear in such a way that he doesn't have 20-25% more HP than me, then he doesn't have that mitigation, proving my point.

And the Defiance mitigation, if I am not mistaken, is IB being used at will.

Yes, and if a WAR doesn't have 20%+ more HP than me, then Defiance is not a match for Grit. In that case, Grit = IB, in which case Grit is better because it's always on.

[Giantbane]

I listed the mitigation abilities. That what we were discussing. If you want to add the non-mitigation abilities in there from WAR, then I get to add the non-mitigation abilities from DRK.

And yes, I didn't put Defiance in there because it only boosts HP, doesn't mitigate.

That's just dumb. If you have more HP you can take more damage. That's exactly the purpose of mitigation, to be able to take more damage. The only difference between mitigation and more HP is that if you only have more HP, it requires more healing after you've taken a hit to restore that HP and prepare for more damage. However, defiance comes free with a handy 20% bonus to heals that, for all intents and purposes, makes it function exactly the same as Grit & Shield Oath do. Thrill of Battle also shares the exact same cooldown as a cross classed Convalescence. You pair both together, and you've got something that functions almost identically to Rampart & Shadowskin.

You also missed Reprisal & Delirium vs. Storm's Path. Storm's Path is the pretty clear winner here. The only saving grace for the other two is that they can be stacked with storm's path (or at least they appear to be able to).

[Kaedan94]

That's just dumb. If you have more HP you can take more damage.

Congratulations on missing the point. lol

Warriors. Don't. Have. More. HP. At least every one I've run into so far. Perhaps it's because they use STR gear instead of VIT and/or have all their attributes in STR. The why doesn't matter.

If WARs actually did have 20%+ more HP than us DRKs, then you would be correct. But that isn't the case.

You also missed Reprisal & Delirium vs. Storm's Path. Storm's Path is the pretty clear winner here. The only saving grace for the other two is that they can be stacked with storm's path (or at least they appear to be able to).

True, damage debuffs are a form of mitigation. And Storm's Path does have a slight advantage since Reprisal is down for 10s every 30s. But they are close enough that it's a wash if timed in accordance to a boss's attacks.

[Ditto]

Congratulations on missing the point. lol

Warriors. Don't. Have. More. HP. At least every one I've run into so far. Perhaps it's because they use STR gear instead of VIT and/or have all their attributes in STR. The why doesn't matter.

If WARs actually did have 20%+ more HP than us DRKs, then you would be correct. But that isn't the case.




True, damage debuffs are a form of mitigation. And Storm's Path does have a slight advantage since Reprisal is down for 10s every 30s. But they are close enough that it's a wash if timed in accordance to a boss's attacks.

>Timing Reprisal

LOL

My static did the new extremes with a drk, even once with 2 drks. No issue... They are fools for turning you down but it's their party so they can do what they want really.

I did both EX's with 2 Drk's, and even the last floor of Alexander with 2 Drk's. It's a pain in the butt, but they're passable.

Taking a Drk however is practically crippling the group in what could be easy, smooth runs. They bring no utility, and have a much crappier kit to use compared to the two, so I cant blame people if they're denying Drk's entry. Only says more about the position Drk is in right now.

[dragoelete]

>Timing Reprisal

LOL

now this i actually agree on ... its... not exactly ... easy to time reprisal

[Giantbane]

Congratulations on missing the point. lol

So, you're basically comparing WARs wearing only STR accessories to DRKs wearing VIT ones and you think that's somehow a fair comparison.

If you're going to compare classes, compare their toolkit, don't compare what some random set of players does. Especially when you're comparing to sets of players that have different goals (high HP DRKs in pure VIT vs. moar deepz WARs in pure STR). That's ridiculous.