Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[Allyrion]

It's hard figuring out the character niche of the Dark Knight as well for group play. The Warrior is a powerful beast who runs wild on his enemies; a trash-talking, mouth smashing brute carved out of rock who dishes out more pain than he receives. The Paladin is a gallant protector, a chivalrous knight, the quintessential 'heroic figure' who never leaves a comrade behind, and fears nothing and no one. The traditional theme for dark Knights is 'selfishness and pain' but where does that fit in for his tanking theme? Like, how do you translate something like that into fun gameplay that involves protecting others? The most memorable DK I can recall was Gaffgarion from FF:Tactics, and he was pretty much a jaded dick.

Could be wrong, but I got the impression that DRK has a decent archetype.
Yoshida even mentioned Berserk's Guts as an example. It's an anti-hero that uses dark powers (the powers of his enemies) to defend the weak.
There's still a theme of sacrifice, but its their sacrifice since you drain their power for health and mp. That's the impression I'm getting anyway.
Also, feels like Batman, lol.

For story purposes, you shouldn't look further than Cecil (for in-house references) in FFIV.
Cecil was a defender and righteous even as a Dark Knight, and he is the quintessential DRK being the breakout character for the Job (like Kain is to DRG).
And he was anything but selfish.
He sacrificed himself to darkness to serve a greater cause of defending the weak, like all the anti-heroes of that type (Guts, Batman, etc.)

[Hyunckel]

L O L

I'm just gonna leave this here ... PS: I was in Grit (tank stance reducing dmg done by-20% like PLD's Shield Oath) half of the fight . . . .

That was a random pug, second I went into, we cleared it on 4th try

Without the power of DRK's dps as OT, I'm not sure some groups would get past the DPS checks LOL



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[Kiteless]

L O L

I'm just gonna leave this here ... PS: I was in Grit (tank stance reducing dmg done by-20% like PLD's Shield Oath) half of the fight . . . .

That was a random pug, second I went into, we cleared it on 4th try

Without the power of DRK's dps as OT, I'm not sure some groups would get past the DPS checks LOL



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But that doesn't really say much. I go through dungeons outDPSing DPS players all the time in my tank stance. Hell, I had one run where I was outdoing one of the DPS by 60%. Doesn't mean DRK's output is good, it just means those DPS are criminally bad.

[Delorean]

so tell them that their group is garbage anyway if they are relying on a tank for DPS. say thanks for letting you know and join another group lol

DRK takes more skill to play right only to be near what the other tanks can do with less effort. It becomes less of a risk to just take the easier to play tanks at this point.

that deja vu tho

just replace DRK with WAR and this could have been posted during 2.0

ZERO's main group is one of the best groups on Adamantoise and Serenity is playing DRK. They have had no trouble so far.

To me that is a strong implication that most people complaining about DRK honestly don't know shit about shit and are just regurgitating everything they heard from someone else. This is why i take such a heated stance towards mindless bitching.

all this whining, just to ruin the game for everyone else enjoying DRK because there are people who want their apples to be a bunch of goddamn oranges.

[SirTaint]

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ZERO's main group is one of the best groups on Adamantoise and Serenity is playing DRK. They have had no trouble so far.

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A good group (assumed by your comment) playing easy content well with DRK doesn't prove anything. Now if they choose to do progression during Alex Savage in two weeks with a DRK I'd be impressed.

DRK needs some tweaking because progression groups will be looking for the most effective ways to clear content. Losing PLDs HG and WARs path/eye will be extremely tough.

[Delorean]

A good group (assumed by your comment) playing easy content well with DRK doesn't prove anything. Now if they choose to do progression during Alex Savage in two weeks with a DRK I'd be impressed.

how many people here even have their sights set on savage though?

that's my point - all this obsession with min maxing and most people play in a group where it doesn't matter and are holding themselves to a standard for a facet of content they will probably not even complete.

if you are focusing on that content then you know that you can't expect a developer to fix your favorite class for you to play and you will have to use what you've got.

but for this low end stuff? every class is viable

[Kiteless]

how many people here even have their sights set on savage though?

that's my point - all this obsession with min maxing and most people play in a group where it doesn't matter and are holding themselves to a standard for a facet of content they will probably not even complete.

if you are focusing on that content then you know that you can't expect a developer to fix your favorite class for you to play and you will have to use what you've got.

but for this low end stuff? every class is viable

In my experience, it's because for a lot of content, especially early on (although it never REALLY changes too much), you're going to end up with a lot of 'dud' players. And this doesn't even really have to be for hard content, Bismark Ex is really just an easy DPS check, and yet a lot of people have a lot of difficulty with it. So players will try to eliminate as many elements from their party composition that could end up costing them a run and their next sliver of sanity.
In the case of DRK, we have a class that is the least capable of the tanks in addition to having the highest skill requirements of the role. That's a lot of room for some pretty catastrophic error that a lot of other players just might feel isn't worth the risk, whether that risk be proven or simply inferred.

[SirTaint]

how many people here even have their sights set on savage though?

that's my point - all this obsession with min maxing and most people play in a group where it doesn't matter and are holding themselves to a standard for a facet of content they will probably not even complete.

if you are focusing on that content then you know that you can't expect a developer to fix your favorite class for you to play and you will have to use what you've got.

but for this low end stuff? every class is viable

You brought up "one of the best groups" since when do the best groups not attempt the only real endgame raid? Alexander Savage (HM or whatever its final name is) is the new coil. Alexander normal is CT level. Bis EX and Ravana EX are barely mid level content especially compared to the previous primals.

My point was every class via for the current game but when endgame begins in two weeks all the flaws of every class will be exposed. I do not predict too many DRKs being used during Progression but I'm sure there will be a few.

[Tila]

how many people here even have their sights set on savage though?

that's my point - all this obsession with min maxing and most people play in a group where it doesn't matter and are holding themselves to a standard for a facet of content they will probably not even complete.

if you are focusing on that content then you know that you can't expect a developer to fix your favorite class for you to play and you will have to use what you've got.

but for this low end stuff? every class is viable

Very true, but thats no excuse for DRK wanting to be on par with the other tanks, which it is not.

[RissienNorolithe]

I just did Bis Ex last night with my fc using DRK in all ilvl180 VIT gear and all stats in STR and i didnt find it to be that bad really. As far as I know from my group i wasnt taking anymore damage than the WAR really and we didnt have any issue with dps checks. Before that though I was also getting refused from groups because i was DRK. People need to just ease up a bit and stop being min-maxers just let us play the game.